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D-Day.

Thanks, America, for helping to free millions of people. But they were people who WANTED to be free.

Lets not try that again. They don't want to be free today.

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Interesting homage to D-Day.

I too thank those brave servicepeople who gave their lives.

That said, there are nations that DO wish to be free - of America. I hasten to add that I AM American and there is much I love about my country, but, let's not pretend that America is a New Jerusalem or anything that resembles Augustine's City of God. Ask a Native American, ask the nations with whom we have played chess with to our advantage. There is a world of difference between Adolf Hitler and nations who desire to be free to grow without our influence.

Colonialism directly gave rise to one of the bloodiest meat grinders known to humanity: World War I. And THAT proved so successful that we had another a mere 21 years later.

Maybe we need to define "freedom" and "free."

But to those servicepeople who stormed Normandy that day: +May their memory be eternal+
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That freedom cost a lot!

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Vlad ,

Can you name a few countries that don't want our influence? I can't think of one.

Yes, it's a great thing that America has stepped up to fight Colonialism since its inception.
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On 2013-06-06 09:20, BatsMagic wrote:
D-Day.

Thanks, America,


United Kingdom, Canada, Free France, Poland, Norway, Australia, New Zealand, Netherlands, Belgium, and Czechoslovakia


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for helping to free millions of people. But they were people who WANTED to be free.

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My apologies, Magnus- of course, you are correct.

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On 2013-06-06 09:20, BatsMagic wrote:
D-Day.

Thanks, America,


United Kingdom, Canada, Free France, Poland, Norway, Australia, New Zealand, Netherlands, Belgium, and Czechoslovakia


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for helping to free millions of people. But they were people who WANTED to be free.




And Russia. Even though they had no troops in Normandy. The previous years victory at Stalingrad had marked the turning point in the war. the battles on the Eastern front had decimated the German Ranks. Weakening them enough so that the allied forces could beat them back at Normandy.

http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1053154.html
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I'll raise a glass to all the brave men who liberated Europe 69 years ago, of whatever nation or persuasion. It is a source of embarrassment that Ireland is a nation of cowards, and we did not do our bit.
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I'll raise a glass to all the brave men who liberated Europe 69 years ago, of whatever nation or persuasion. It is a source of embarrassment that Ireland is a nation of cowards, and we did not do our bit.

Wikipedia cites a few ways in which Ireland contributed to the war effort. Note the last one, which has to do with D-Day (the topic of this thread).

"Despite the official position of neutrality, there were many unpublicized contraventions of this, such as permitting the use of the Donegal Corridor to allied military aircraft, and extensive cooperation between Allied and Irish intelligence, the exchanges of information, such as detailed weather reports of the Atlantic Ocean; with for example the decision to go ahead with the D-day landings being decided by a weather report from Blacksod Bay, County Mayo."

"During the Emergency (as the Second World War was referred to in neutral Ireland), the Irish Meteorological Service supplied the Allies with weather information despite Ireland's neutrality. The decision to go ahead with the D-day landings was made following a favourable weather report from the Blacksod Point weather station in County Mayo."

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***ed white of us, considering Churchill himself ordered fake intelligence reports leaked, showing Irish concentrations in London to be strategic military targets.
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Vlad ,

Can you name a few countries that don't want our influence? I can't think of one.



Really? You can't think of anyone? Nice bubble you live in there Smile
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I'll raise a glass to all the brave men who liberated Europe 69 years ago, of whatever nation or persuasion. It is a source of embarrassment that Ireland is a nation of cowards, and we did not do our bit.
A lot of Irish blood on the beach of Normandy.
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Vlad ,

Can you name a few countries that don't want our influence? I can't think of one.



Really? You can't think of anyone? Nice bubble you live in there Smile

Seriously. Without even getting into the touchy subject of which U.S. allies would appreciate significantly less U.S. influence on their home soil (e.g., Japanese protesters calling for removal of U.S. military bases from their country), I am surprised that Kevin could not think of Cuba, North Korea, Iran, etc., as countries that do not welcome U.S. influence.
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Seriously. Without even getting into the touchy subject of which U.S. allies would appreciate significantly less U.S. influence on their home soil (e.g., Japanese protesters calling for removal of U.S. military bases from their country), I am surprised that Kevin could not think of Cuba, North Korea, Iran, etc., as countries that do not welcome U.S. influence.



Add Egypt to that list http://antiwar.com/blog/2011/06/14/egypt......funding/

The US is no longer the "Shining city on the hill", if we ever really were in the first place http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/a......lb=btvoc

Probably because of the colonialism and empire building its been praticing over the years http://www.bu.edu/sociology/files/2010/0......pire.pdf
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On 2013-06-06 13:29, Kevin Connolly wrote:
Vlad ,

Can you name a few countries that don't want our influence? I can't think of one.



Really? You can't think of anyone? Nice bubble you live in there Smile

Seriously. Without even getting into the touchy subject of which U.S. allies would appreciate significantly less U.S. influence on their home soil (e.g., Japanese protesters calling for removal of U.S. military bases from their country), I am surprised that Kevin could not think of Cuba, North Korea, Iran, etc., as countries that do not welcome U.S. influence.


Not to mention France!
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