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Jordanogrady Loyal user 255 Posts 
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On 2013-08-29 17:33, reignofsound wrote: Not whining at all.... and you never know, there could be a DVD release one day, once the PDF's stop selling.. Jordan |
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Jordanogrady Loyal user 255 Posts
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Purchased!
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geggy Elite user Brighton UK 485 Posts
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On 2013-08-29 17:59, Jordanogrady wrote: You sucker.......its rubbish really...............Joke!! |
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Jordanogrady Loyal user 255 Posts
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On 2013-08-29 18:07, geggy wrote: haha I was waiting for something along those lines! haha |
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geggy Elite user Brighton UK 485 Posts
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Lol.........its fantastic......enjoy..
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts
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I bought it this evening... I do like it, but I've changed the handling to eliminate a part of it, mainly cos I know how I'll be presenting it...if you take the notion (from bob cassidy) that there are similarities between a deck of cards and the earth's cycle/calendar, then when the two people make their choices right at the start, they are metaphorically grabbing at the future weeks to come...so then the idea of fate comes into play, and how maybe two people were meant to meet, even if its just for a single moment to share an experience or two...
will be giving it a test drive next week...
I've asked to be banned
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magicthree Special user 620 Posts
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Did the Lars version for the wife and daughter and they loved it and most of all fooled by it. I use the poker theme of watching for tells as they deal the cards.
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Fin Veteran user 322 Posts
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On 2013-08-29 17:39, Jordanogrady wrote: Well said. No offense meant, and your website looks very smart 
I've been re-reading this tonight and must echo other people's positive comments about Lar's handling. It is a wonderful variation. |
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Jordanogrady Loyal user 255 Posts
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On 2013-08-29 19:44, Fin wrote: None taken. I do totally appreciate how it looks a newbie (although been around since 2006) says he doesn't learn from books sounds nuts!
Anyhow, I'm on page 17 so check me out
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AutarchicFlux Special user 587 Posts
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Yikes. Am I the only one who bought this and thinks it looks awful? The scowl on my face grew and grew as I read through "The Effect" section of the PDF, as I figured out the method after only a few paragraphs. I'll say that again - I figured out the method simply by seeing where the description of the presentation was going. I have never encountered this particular method before, but I found it glaringly obvious from the outset, and saw as I finished reading "the effect" that I was correct in my initial assumption.
This routine takes a direct, straightforward demonstration of serendipity/mindreading and reduces it to a tiresome, clunky, highly involved procedure that involves counting cards, "randomizing" the numbers thought of, re-counting, re-counting again, et cetera. It is by far the most cluttered, and the most terminally boring routine I have been sold as a "stunner" in the entirety of my magic career. I would never dream of performing this, as it's both a snoozefest and dead simple for any astute observer to work out. I have no desire to try to make such a bad trick work by padding it out with even more involved presentational fluff. I perform for highly critical audiences of friends, and there's no way they'd stand for that. I get strong reactions from my ACAAN - a deck is produced, a card and a number are named, the named card is at the named number. Bam. No clutter, no chance for the audience to reconstruct the effect. If only there was the possibility of a refund for this sort of thing. Can I get my money back if I decided to delete the PDF before I even got to the section officially revealing the method? :-p |
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magicman29 Inner circle hertfordshire 1245 Posts
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Im sure all of us can't be wrong about the crusade! For hard hitting effects you sometimes need to put in the effort to make it truely mind blowing but if you don't want to put the effort in then there's not much else I can say.....
Kieran |
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4191 Posts
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I have lost count of the number of times I have performed this and it never fails to get a strong reaction. My guess is AutarchicFlux is a magician rather than a mentalist. I'm not sure this presentation would have suited me before I became a serious mentalist.
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geggy Elite user Brighton UK 485 Posts
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Gobsmacked, by Fluxes take on this....I was gobsmacked when I ran thru this, and fail to see how any laymen, astute or anywhere near astute could backtrack on this. One lone negative in a sea of positivity, good on you for your honest opinion tho..
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AutarchicFlux Special user 587 Posts
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My apologies if my post seemed excessively venomous or unfair to The Crusade. Atlas seems like a consummate magician and businessman, and I don't intend to disparage him personally or discredit magicians who would perform this effect. Perhaps it's a failure of imagination on my part, or an inability to step back into the mindset of a layperson. Truth is, I perform for the same group of 15-20 spectators so often, it may be the case that they no longer qualify as legitimate "laypeople," so I have lost touch with what it means to perform for a normal audience.
In any case, I wish you and Atlas all the best. But if you're like me and you want an effect that hits hard and fast, and will fool astute/half-smart spectators, you should be warned about the heavily procedural nature of this trick. |
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geggy Elite user Brighton UK 485 Posts
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The procedure is the trick, nothing spoken, nothing written, nothing indicated, you are attempting to read people and at the climax this is what you achieve, every action is justified within this script,I really feel you are missing out by passing this over, each to his own I suppose..
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captainsmiffy Special user UK, resident UAE 589 Posts
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My thanks, Lar, to an earlier post in which you extolled the virtues of my Up The Ante when you used it in conjunction with Crusade! I never thought that I would see something of my own work in a thread about Crusade! Am loving Crusade BTW....have had some stunned audiences with this.....
Have you tried 'Up The Ante' yet?? The ultimate gambling demo....a self-working wonder! See the reviews here on the cafe.
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Fin Veteran user 322 Posts
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A "highly involved procedure" is not the way I would characterise this, not by a long way. Depending which handling you go for the "procedure" can vary significantly and feels completely justified due to its perfect coupling with the various patter options. Some people aren't fans of tricks that require this sort of approach, but that does not make the tricks bad, or their fans stupid. Many people have clearly had great success with this method, using a variety of quite differing handlings and patter. There are times for quick, methods and presentations like "name a card and a number, now LOOK.. aren't I amazing", and then there are times when a little bit more involved presentation, and a little bit more audience involvement is welcome, a-la Crusade. Just my opinion
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts
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I don't mind admitting, that I too found that its a little too long to suit me... so I altered the handling a bit, omitted a section and changed the presentation to suit me...but I'm pleased I got it, cos the guts of it is a very nice effect...
if we all agreed on everything, it would be boring! and to be fair, the guy did apologise for coming across a little too harsh...
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts
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AutarchicFlux - I've pm'd you my change to it, cos it might be helpful...(might not! you might hate that too!)
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magicman29 Inner circle hertfordshire 1245 Posts
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Iain if you would be so kind to also send me your handling of this effect, would like to read it!
Kieran |
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