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Davidyeung1991 I spoke to Xavier Giro about a week ago and he said his perfect snow storm is 2500 euros which was equivalent to about $4200 which is VERY expensive, especially for the snow dream illusion. Aha but that's great I didn't know these details about it thank you very much Smile ! Originally I was searching for Avalanche, then I found out it was of the market but I recently got an offer for it so I kinda removed Xaviers illusion from my list due to the price, my budget and I kinda found a substitute. Just curious, isn't avalanche similar to the perfect snow dream ? From the details I heard from other magicians, Id say they sound the same except the fact that there is no platform in avalanche I think. But thank you for trying 2 help me out Smile Cheers Smile !

Mr. Sam Sandler really Smile ?! Wow I wouldnt know where did you reach them in the first place lol. Really ? Is it hard to fill a stage with snow ?! Can you tell me the method or if its available can you lead me to it ?! What machines and instructions for filling a stage with snow would I need/use ?! I would REALLY appreciate it. Ive been really dreaming of filling an arena with stage for a loonngg time. I really wish so. Thank you fro your help Smile !

Are you guys saying the fan way is the best way because its the easiest and most practical ?
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AmrKhaled,

Hand fan is a old and proven way of doing this. I think we are trying to guide you to something practical and cost effective.

If you are after something like when Copperfield is filling up a venue with snow, talk to a FX company about the details. I would recommend http://www.zigmont.com/
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Yes Krille I perfectly understand what appreciate what everyone is saying. Filling the venue is a different story, I just didn't like the production of snow from the fan method, as you are already planting in the spectators mind the idea of using a tissue, so people would think at max that this is tissue paper, and the bare hand method uses looks like real magic to me, at least that's how I feel it is. As for filling the venue, thank you very much for that website, Ive never seen anything like it for special effect. Problem is the budget for me. Im scared of the prices lol. I wish I can get something like Mr. Sam like filling a stage regularly like that. Thanks again Krille, appreciated Smile .
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No prob,

If you create a good rutine with the basic "paper" snowstorm it can be very effective to the audience.

You can, in addition to this, fill the stage with additional "paper" snow by any other means doable for you.

Trust me, this foam snow stuff is difficult. As stated before in this thread, it is more of an effect, what makes Copperfields version so magical is his presentation.

I'm saying this not to discourage you but for the same reason I would not recommend a newbie to start with Copperfield's flying. I would suggest a simpler levitation.

If you are really set on performing this from empty hands I would go with the Kevin James Snow Animator. You could spice it up by using paper that illuminates in black light.
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Well first there is a difference in "filling a stage" and "filling a theater"

when I say filling a stage I mean that I can fill the stage with my snow routine using nothing but paper snow storm and hand fan.
now I use only the best snow storm loads in the world!! SEO magic is by far the best snow loads ever. I have used every make and model of paper snow storms and nothing compares nothing at all. my snow reaches 30' or more in the air and spreads at least 20-25' wide. and its a lot of snow!

I used to add one snow machine set up behind me behind my curtains pointed up over me or placed in the cat walk and it would kick on at the hieght of my paper snow appearing and then continue as I took my bow. it would shoot out over me and go at least 15' into the audience.

but these days I just use the snow loads and no snow machine. I have found that really it does not add enough that the audience can tell the difference or that it adds any more punch to the presentation.

I also believe the hand fan method is a bit more organic. meaning there is no question in the audiences mind as to how the snow is being propelled so that the magic of having wet paper and then the dry paper is still there but the focus can be on the routine. I guess what I am saying is that some thing like the snow animator turns it into a puzzle and audiences begin to look and wonder what is so special about that stool. at least that is my opinion. plus I don't like the clumps of snow falling down and then blowing back up from below your hands. don't get me wrong I think Kevin did a great job and its a neat idea but for me it steals the thunder of the routine. I want the attention on me and my presentation not my cool toy.

Krille- it is very odd that you mention black light snow storm. I have been working on one for about 6 years now and finally ready to put it in my show and the snow I was getting the guy cant make it any more. I was so bummed. I only have enough for about 10 performances but not willing to use it just yet. looking to see if I can find another company to make my UV snow loads.
I wear uv reactive gloves and my hand fan was specially painted to be UV reactive as well. I am so bummed I can not get my snow loads but I am not giving up.

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I can not make it any clearer... You are coming to a forum to ask advice of professionalls. Listen to them.

Either buy a quality product (Kevin James.) Or use the tradition hand fan method. Please listen.
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This is a lost cause, ThomasR. He wants to be Copperfield when he grows up and nothing seems to deter him. He convinces himself that he doesn't, but anything that deviates from DC is not acceptable. I've given up on him from this and other threads. He wants help but it's clear that he wants to hear only what he wants to hear. If any advice doesn't match what he wants to hear he dismisses it. You can only flog a dead horse for so long...
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Sam,

I have sent you a PM.
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Mr. Sam I cant thank you enough for the details and help that you have given me, I really appreciate it thank you !

ThomasR I REALLYY appreciate everyones advice here....but I was just searching for a different effect that's all. One that's more powerful and I dreamed about performing it always. that's all, thank you.

Mr. Frank Copperfield wasnt the only 1 that did this effect, Ive seen a lot of magicians do it and have been really inspired by the idea. But thank you for your advice anyways. You REALLY have helped me with your advice on previous posts and I admitted so. But your convinced I want to be David Copperfield. I PMed you btw.
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The rights to use Kevin's wonderful routine only comes with the Snow animators that he sells!
At this moment nothing is available that is better than Kevin James snow animator system. (Avalanche is a joke, Xavier's is a poor version of Copperfield snow illusion)
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SNOWING - Snow from bare hands in julius frack website , but expensive , hope someone review this.
http://shop.juliusfrack.com/index.php?page=product&info=22
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The Kevin James/Copperfield snow story is a touchy one. Somebody got taken and I'll leave it to you to guess who.
That said, Copperfield's is no one-man operation. There's quite a lot going on to produce that snow from his hands as he does.
It's all in the reflexes.
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Illucifer, Kevin James has told me the entire story and I believe many memebers here on the Café know it as well. But I believe there was a version sold for over $4200 that is a one version that works with a timer.
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I own two Perfect Snowstorm Systems by Giro Magia. They were used a couple of times as a grand finale illusion for a big show in Germany and Switzerland. I am selling them for a significantly reduced price. If anyone is interested please leave a PM, I am happy to answer your questions.
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Resurrecting this with my own question.... what if you just want to have snow in your hands, after making an object disappear... and just blow the snow out with your breath? Just "poooo" blow it towards a person? I'd prefer to use a biodegradable confetti (I found some online) but I don't know if that works the same as those Instant Snow products. I'm trying to be eco-friendly with this idea. :-P Anyone have suggestions on how to do this effect? Where would you hide the snow? Thanks Smile
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The perfect snow system is a pretty different method than what DC used.
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On Jan 23, 2014, alessandro wrote:
I own two Perfect Snowstorm Systems by Giro Magia. They were used a couple of times as a grand finale illusion for a big show in Germany and Switzerland. I am selling them for a significantly reduced price. If anyone is interested please leave a PM, I am happy to answer your questions.


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On Jun 24, 2013, davidyeung1991 wrote:
Well. there are product same as Copperfield snow effect.
it is call the perfect snow storm.
the price of the products is $3500 euros it is very expensive. I have talk to the inventor,
here is the reply

WOW! reading this FOUR YEARS later and just WOW!!!! I just hope its still available!






The prop is studied for a long life, and works with normal machine snow soap (very easy to find it in professional sound and lighting shops or disco effects ).



There is no refills, it is self-contained. Magician is on a flat platform (7cm.-80 cmx80cm.)that incorporates an electronic air system and in your body you only have a thin tub (with the small system to produce the snow). The platform incorporates a little spot light as well (battery) that illuminates your hands while you are producing the snow so hereby is justified it. It is activated via timer, so you can produce several times (for ex. 3 times maximum 20 seconds each time). The high of the snow production is 4-5 meters from your hands and is very quiet.





Best regards,

Xavier Giro



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C1UH5fhW0Q
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That was a pretty cool demo video. I am planning a magic show involving a group of 8-12 year old girls for a charity event they wanted to do. They decided together that the finale would be the snow storm effect. My approach as of now is to have them fan a pack or two and then turn on a modified blower from a bounce house to deliver snow out over the audience. The performance will be held in a huge concrete floor garage, so clean up would be easy with a shop-vac or two.

However, I do like the look of the chemical bubbles better, with exception of the build up on fingers. Does anyone have any experience using this type of snow to float out into the audience? I'm a little concerned that it may cause the concrete to become slippery, kids trying to taste it and/or the bubbles staining clothing.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Chris
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Sorry to say that but the system of Xavier Giro is for the trash. I had it and it was not working as you see it in the video.
There is only one system who is working properly and it it from Julius Frack from Germany. The Giro system was my worst investigation I ever made...
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