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magicshayne Loyal user 284 Posts |
This is a good effect I will be useing tonight at my gig and I will let you know how it goes, I do have a slight problem with wipeing the dry erase of the stick, Sometimes the x does not come of in one wipe it takes to or maybe 3 firm wipes to get it completly gone any one else have this problem?
Also Residue after routineing the effect I found my thumb is getting black dry erase on it which will not look good when I approach the next table or go to shake hands anybody got away around this I thought about useing wipes to clear the stick? Advice is much appreciated thank you |
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jconstantine Special user Long Island New York 566 Posts |
I think ive come with a pretty neat patter/story line for this prop
You could say........... Years ago before psychology and psychiatry have advanced as far as they have today, doctors would need a way to see if someone was....well SANE. Whether they are competent to stand trial, or if someone needed to be admitted to a nut house. Long before brain scanning and mood altering drugs were available, a simple test was conducted on a subject to determine whether or not what they saw was actually what was happening in reality.............. Here let me show you what I mean. I have one of these tests with me that I carry around at all times because I am so enamored at how accurate it really is. (Perform what ever paddle routine you wish and then you can tell the person that they are either certifiably nuts or that they are just fine and are seeing exactly what you want them to and not to worry cause they are not crazy Using the above patter and having performed the jumping x trick you then say to them "Now did you see a bunch of x's disappearing and reappearing? Jumping on and off the stick. Everyone will answer yes. You say "good then you are completely sane. Don't worry your not crazy. You see only a somebody who has gone off the deep end would not react the way you have after seeing such an eye popping illusion. Those that see this and don't react, see things like this all the time and you should watch out for people like that" at this point you can single somebody out in the audience who maybe didn't really react that strongly and without saying anything point to them. Everyone will have a good laugh.
Misdirect yourself regularly before you attempt to misdirect others!!!
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MR Effecto Inner circle 2836 Posts |
Same with this trend zombie there was a post just before yours.
Posted: Jun 19, 2013 12:06am -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here are the details on Turbo Stick http://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/new-magic/t......-fx.html Eye candy…on a stick! Magician Leo Smetsers has produced a paddle that is made from 100% dry erase board. Whatever you write or draw on the paddle can immediately be wiped clean with your fingers. Draw anything on the paddle, transform it and then wipe it all clean in one swipe of the fingers. Turbo Stick allows you to perform almost any paddle trick…in one paddle! In addition to the dry erase board paddle, you will also receive a training DVD explaining routines, ideas and concepts to use with your Turbo Stick: Included: X 12 moments of wow in under a minute. X's vanish, appear, transpose and multiply in rapid succession ending with an amazing visual production of the marker that you used at the beginning of the effect. You start and end clean. This is the perfect opening effect for table hoppers and working pros. Sponge Red dots appear, disappear and multiply, ending by watching one of the dots visibly transforming into a sponge ball, this is repeated with a second sponge in an even more visual fashion, leaving you perfectly clean at the end with everything examinable. The perfect visual eye candy intro to your sponge ball routine! Name Game Letters drawn on the Turbo Stick, begin to vanish and rearrange themselves, ending with the letters visibly transforming into the spectator's very own name! Once again, everything is immediately wiped clean, leaving you clean and immediately reset for another performance! Any Time Hot Rod Draw any six objects on your Turbo Stick and have the spectator choose one. The magic starts to happen when the objects start to vanish, one by one, leaving you with only their selected object. As a crazy kicker, the paddle immediately becomes filled with their selected object one both sides! One swipe of your fingers and everything wipes away clean to end! PLUS: Amazing production ideas, alternative endings, tips and more! Turbo Stick, the paddle trick redefined! |
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MR Effecto Inner circle 2836 Posts |
Don't forget Google.............LOL
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Martino Special user Manchester, UK 928 Posts |
Personally I don't understand why anyone would do any "paddle trick" with anything other than regular items, such as John Carney's "Swing Blade" knife trick, Lee Smith's "Strike 2" or Kostya Kimlat's "Warning" both of which use lighters.
"There's a difference between not knowing how something is done and knowing it can't be done!" - Simon Aronson
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Xcath1 Inner circle 3053 Posts |
Martino for an organic effect at the dinner table "Swing Blade" is great although there is only one moment of magic. Both of the lighter effects listed are also great. With strike I always felt that the examinable final condition of the lighters sort of tips the method. Obviously, in the videos of the real world performances Lee does great with this as he does with everything else. I just like the jumping around aspect of the Xs and have no problems bringing out an incongruous prop because I am an incongruous guy. I have had good responses with the effect but all the negative press is making me doubt myself.
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Blindside785 Inner circle Olympia, WA 4541 Posts |
Am I the only one who cannot seem to do a paddle move with a lighter?
Do you guys have tips. I passed up on Warning and Strike 2 because I simply couldn't do the move with a lighter, seemed way too slippery. |
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Xcath1 Inner circle 3053 Posts |
Certainly harder and less secure than with a paddle. With warning you realy on have to do it in the open once so not much heat (I lost the labesl like everything else and that was it for that trick also there are fewer placed you can comfortably use flash paper today). I think the lighter specially made for Strike are a little bit more favorably shaped than a BIC lighter for the move.
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Martino Special user Manchester, UK 928 Posts |
Blindside,
On the warning dvd (and also on issue 23 of Reel Magic Magazine) Kostya describes the paddle move he uses. It is a lot more natural than the standard "wristy" paddle move and is just as deceptive. Regards, Martin.
"There's a difference between not knowing how something is done and knowing it can't be done!" - Simon Aronson
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parmenion Inner circle Switzerland/Zürich 3988 Posts |
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On 2013-07-11 16:18, Blindside785 wrote: Yes!:-)
“I love talking about nothing. It is the only thing I know anything about.”
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RNK Inner circle 7493 Posts |
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On 2013-07-11 16:53, parmenion wrote: I agree with Blindside- it is more difficult with a lighter....
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parmenion Inner circle Switzerland/Zürich 3988 Posts |
It's not difficult with a lighter, in fact I only do the paddle move with a borrowed lighter...I know I'm not the only one just matter of practice.
“I love talking about nothing. It is the only thing I know anything about.”
<BR>Oscar Wilde experimentaliste <br> <BR>Artist pickpocket Professional <BR> <BR>Looking for the best book test in French? send me a PM! |
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Robvs Elite user 470 Posts |
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On 2013-07-11 18:16, parmenion wrote: I think it's worth mentioning that when you ask ten people to demonstrate a paddle move, you'll see three different variations, two of them will be terrible. I've seen magicians do knife routines, freakey, hot rod, etc. Half the time things look "funny" and I can't figure out how on earth they think that their moves look natural. And surprisingly, some of them have been performing like this for many years. I'm sure that some perform the paddle move with a lighter, I'm sure some do something really ugly with a lighter, and I'm sure that some who can't figure it out haven't been handling their paddles right from the start. |
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
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On 2013-07-11 19:04, Robvs wrote: RIGHT ON THE MONEY! |
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Robvs Elite user 470 Posts |
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On 2013-07-11 13:26, Martino wrote: Just an idea, don't know if it works for you...but you could always explain that you want to show an effect on a erasable surface such as the Turbo Stick. People don't care. It may be a special paddle, they may put that together, but your marks aren't. You draw on something and it changes. They dig it. It's only a bit weirder than having a deck of cards in your pocket when you come to think of it. I actually never had anyone say to me "Do you always carry around a little stick with gems on it?" But I have had someone say to me, "Do you always carry around a deck of cards?...boy that's weird." Why can't a paddle be an acceptable tool of the trade? I believed similarly to you until recently, but I'm over it. Nobody REALLY believes that you have a picture of your Uncle Charlie with a playing card in his hand. Nobody believes that you carry around a little book from the National Institute of Parapsycholog. They know that those rubber bands on your wrist are a prop, they don't believe that you just got back from England or Mexico during your coin routines. They even think that there's something tricky about your bic lighter or that you've switched theres for your tricky one- even when it's clean. Unless you're a lumberjack who doubles as a magician, that "common object" knife is just as weird of a thing to carry around. The public understands it's all an act, so dress it up and enjoy it. They often believe I do actually have an invisible deck of cards though. |
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jconstantine Special user Long Island New York 566 Posts |
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On 2013-07-11 20:02, Robvs wrote: Great advice here!
Misdirect yourself regularly before you attempt to misdirect others!!!
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Robvs Elite user 470 Posts |
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On 2013-07-11 20:02, Robvs wrote: Pardon my grammar/spelling errors in that post, whoa. "Psychology," "theirs" |
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
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On 2013-07-11 23:44, Robvs wrote: Never a worry. I do it on purpose to lure out low self esteem-ers to correct me. They are so lacking in their personal lives that they try to compensate by correcting the spelling of others. Sometimes you double dip and get them to chastise you for bringing back polder posts or not using Google to their satisfaction;-) :rotf: |
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Chris Meece Special user Somerset Kentucky 864 Posts |
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On 2013-07-11 20:02, Robvs wrote: I agree with all of this except the having to be a lumberjack to carry a knife around. Around here most men carry a pocket knife.
All small town magicians know what 793.8 signifies.
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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2537 Posts |
I really hope Mr. Sanders reads this forum because I want to ask him one, simple question.
What, in the name of magic, are you claiming originality for here by putting your name against this product? Reiss Magic bought out a white plastic paddle and a dry wipe marker in 1975! It's NOT new and certainly not yours to claim originality for. The main trick on the DVD is actually called 'I'll Start Again'. This EXACT routine was the brainchild of a magician named Jimmy Rogers. It was initially released by Harry Baron and Joe Stuthard when they started trading as Kaymar Magic back in 1953. So here we are now, exactly 60 years later, and the same trick is being marketed by Mr. Sanders. Oh excuse me, I'm wrong. The fact that the original used a wooden bat and a piece of chalk; whereas it now uses a plastic bat and a marker, actually makes it a new trick , doesn't it. Ken Brooke also sold this trick (with Kaymar's agreement) in 1967 when he opened Ken Brooke's Magic Place. Joe Riding also used this trick regularly but, in fairness to Joe, he actually added new ideas to the original routine. And just to also ask you Mr. Sanders, even if you have given credit, I wonder whether you actually asked permission of Kaymar Magic to release it? They are still in business and trading; ironically about two miles from my home. And although I actually like paddle tricks, I have to say this version looks so cheap and bloody tacky. Now, if you want to see the routine with a QUALITY paddle, then check out Pat Page's Money Bat on YouTube. Finely hand-crafted in varnished wood with felt inlays, it's a much better routine based upon the original AND with an excellent finale. It's also cheaper than this abomination! Check these clips out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YXP_yD40xM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeWbVI6LtjI This is just simply a piece of utter junk with a ripped-off routine as the main pitch. It's an ever-increasing trait these days just to rip off old tricks, ideas and routines with no acknowledgement of their provenance (Dean Dill's beads also spring instantly to mind) but remember, there are some of us older farts still out here that remember the originals - and will, where necessary, continue to show up the rip-off merchants that infest our art form.
Barry Allen
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