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On 2013-06-26 19:10, Pop Haydn wrote:
I'm sorry. I just got here. Paula Deen lost a leg and then got fired?

Pop, you, of all people, should know that this place is like a Monty Python skit: if you miss the first two minutes you'll never have a prayer of understanding what's going on.

Being at peace with ignorance is a big leg up around here.
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On 2013-06-26 18:54, acesover wrote:

By the way what part of Canada was that picture taken?


It's in Africa. The pic was too good not to use.
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On 2013-06-26 18:48, S2000magician wrote:


I'm no seer, but I suspect that these words and phrases will soon be deemed offensive, and will be replaced with other words and phrases.


Indeed. Of course, we live in this world, in our countries, today. And these words and phrases are a problem in our context.

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Ultimately, it isn't the word or phrase itself that offends; it's the idea that it conveys. But rather than deal with the idea itself, people decide that all they have to do is replace the offensive word with an inoffensive euphemism, and that'll be the end of it.


I think this misses the problem altogether. It is a person's use of language in a context that is the problem.



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Until people realize that it isn't the word that's the problem, the problem will persist.


Again, I think that this is not the point at all. Until people stop speaking in needlessly hurtful and harmful ways, the problem will persist. Recognizing that it is use not mention that is the issue doesn't make hurt and offense stop.

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On 2013-06-26 19:58, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
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On 2013-06-26 18:54, acesover wrote:

By the way what part of Canada was that picture taken?


It's in Africa. The pic was too good not to use.


Ha, ha. I don't think he picked it out either. Probably never heard of Edmonton Oilers either. But you are right. It was to good not to use.
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On 2013-06-26 20:03, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
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On 2013-06-26 18:48, S2000magician wrote:
I'm no seer, but I suspect that these words and phrases will soon be deemed offensive, and will be replaced with other words and phrases.

Indeed. Of course, we live in this world, in our countries, today. And these words and phrases are a problem in our context.

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Ultimately, it isn't the word or phrase itself that offends; it's the idea that it conveys. But rather than deal with the idea itself, people decide that all they have to do is replace the offensive word with an inoffensive euphemism, and that'll be the end of it.

I think this misses the problem altogether. It is a person's use of language in a context that is the problem.

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Until people realize that it isn't the word that's the problem, the problem will persist.

Again, I think that this is not the point at all. Until people stop speaking in needlessly hurtful and harmful ways, the problem will persist. Recognizing that it is use not mention that is the issue doesn't make hurt and offense stop.

I think we're saying the same thing: the people using the words (to hurt or offend) are the problem; the words themselves aren't.
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1) Words themselves can be offensive (see my unsubtle /sarcasm above).
2) Whatever Bill Maher says or doesn't say, he's still generally a d-bag.
3) I meant to be offensive in 2) and take full responsibility for my words.
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And those people would be a problem no matter which words they used.
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Here is something that may interest some...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11--zy5NU68
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On 2013-06-26 18:54, acesover wrote:

By the way what part of Canada was that picture taken?


It's in Africa. The pic was too good not to use.


Can't see the back of the jersey...how do we know it's a white player?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2013-06-26 18:28, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Al from what I have googled, Maher used the word "retarded" in a joke involving Palin and her child. Do you agree that

a) political figures' children should not be the object of political jokes, and
b) the R word is as offensive and anachronistic as the N word?

I wouldn't know Maher if you hit me in the head with him, so I can't comment on his work in general. I do, however, think that anyone who does a) and b) is being a d-bag.

This is an interesting example of how people feel about words.

Two hundred years ago, someone with a very low IQ (had that term even existed then) would have been described as an idiot or a moron or something similar; each of these words, in fact, had a specific, technical meaning (a range of IQ). At some point, people decided that "idiot" and "moron" were offensive (likely, I suspect, because they were applied disparagingly, even to people who didn't fit the technical definitions), and replaced them with the word "retarded"; the intent was to choose a word that would not be offensive: the definition of "retarded" being "slowed"; thus, someone who is slower than average at learning.

Now, the word "retarded" has been deemed offensive, and has been replaced with other words and phrases ("special", "learning-challenged", whatever).

I'm no seer, but I suspect that these words and phrases will soon be deemed offensive, and will be replaced with other words and phrases.

Ultimately, it isn't the word or phrase itself that offends; it's the idea that it conveys. But rather than deal with the idea itself, people decide that all they have to do is replace the offensive word with an inoffensive euphemism, and that'll be the end of it.

Until people realize that it isn't the word that's the problem, the problem will persist.


"Retarded," is still a bona fide diagnosis per the DSM-4, with specific IQ ranges for mild, moderate, severe, and profound retardation, despite its un-PC connotation. In addition to "moron" and "idiot," "imbecile" used to have a specific IQ range.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I don't think people should be calling her names. Especially, if she really lost a leg.
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At the very least they should call her different names.
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I am offended by 1/3 of the words used in this Thread.

Yeah, I used those words too, but I have linguistic friends.
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Say... didn't there used to be a recipe thread or two around here?

I think it's great that straight middle class white males aren't offended by the use of the N-Word, by the way. Way to go out on a limb with that one.
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How about the gay, rich ones?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Paula on The Today show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suvJoI5y7Hk

The oddest thing thing she said? She thinks that the NBC Today Show is a "wonderful, happy place". I guess she hasn't talked to Ann Curry;-)

How could she have millions of dollars, with a mind like that? The entire interview is just strange. She's her own worst enemy. She lives in a bubble with everyone kissing her behind, so she has no idea that the things she says sound so stupid. Let anyone that has NEVER said something they regretted it, take a stone or boulder and hit her in the head so hard that it kills her? CUCKOO!!!!!!!!

And she adopted Hillary's "vast right wing conspiracy" line of thinking: "There's someone evil out there that saw what I worked for and wanted it".

If she believes that, she is a real loon.

"I is what I is and I'm not chang'in"....Paul Deen

*Except for the loss of millions of dollars.
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On 2013-06-27 02:16, critter wrote:

I think it's great that straight middle class white males aren't offended by the use of the N-Word, by the way. Way to go out on a limb with that one.

Some serious competition for Post of the Year right there. Smile
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I enjoy the hypocrisy of those so offended by words being so quick to call names and hurt with words.
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On 2013-06-26 18:54, acesover wrote:

By the way what part of Canada was that picture taken?


It's in Africa. The pic was too good not to use.


Can't see the back of the jersey...how do we know it's a white player?


Statistical inference.
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Ya know, I really tire of hypocrisy. I've had black friends all my life. One guy was my best friend. And ya know what I learned? If the "N" word ends with "-ga" instead of "-ger" it's OK. WHaaaat? Oh, and only BLACK people can say it (and they DO!). A white guy says it...ya got problems.

I was the only white guy in the group once. That word was used every other word. Oh, but "whitey" was used freely, and I thought nothing of it. Today, looking back, I find it's ridiculous! OMG he used the "N" word! Ohhh! The world's gonna end! Lemme tell ya something I find disturbing.

Up here in Augusta Maine there are only white people. No Asians, one or two blacks, no hispanics, no Greeks, no Italians. No ethicity at all! Just whites and Canadian French. They can't make jokes about blacks or hispanics or Asians. Nobody would get it. So, they pick on the French! And boy DO they!

One time I was in the Food (Soup) Kitchen downtown. A black guy came in, and I pulled a chair out for him to sit at my table. Some guy comes up and runs him out! "We don't serve COONS here!" Whaaat? I haven't heard that term since...gosh. Since I was a kid! That's how backwards it is here. They still use archaic terms in this day and age!

I was in Hannaford Supermarket one day. I mentioned to a staff that I wish there was an Asian Market here. "Oh", he says..."We run them G**ks outta town YEARS ago!" Apparently so. There are NO Asians up here. Well, one or two. There is a Thai Restaurant up by the airport. Only out-of-towners eat there!

Want a pure WHITE BREAD lifestyle? Come to Augusta Maine! If it got any whiter, it would blind me! I have to go to Boston a few times a year to get away from it...

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