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David Nathan Magic
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Hello Everyone,

I have a question about BA: Do you have to use velvet, velveteen or felt, or can you just use cotton?
I am not talking about the kind of BA Omar Pascha is doing, but the kind where it's extremely dark, and there's only one or two blacklights.

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There have been several detailed threads about this and the best materials etc. A search might be the best thing for the most info.

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On 2013-06-25 07:36, Blair Marshall wrote:
There have been several detailed threads about this and the best materials etc. A search might be the best thing for the most info.

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Blair is right. In a nutshell, it's all about reflection. Many materials will reflect the light, whereas materials like velvet won't bounce the light so much and become as black as can be. It's worth the investment.
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The use of (real!) velvet is the only way to do it right.
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If using it in a known venue (where the lights are under your control) and you don't have to break it down and set it up to use in a variety of venues, you can use whatever works, including other colors besides black. Otherwise use black velvet or velour is safest for concealment of shadows.
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I have a little mini theater in my room (just for fun) where I play with black art. I have made several black art illusions at scale. In my (not very dark) bedroom, black cotton isn't visible. So them wouldn't it be invisible in a very dark theater as well?
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In theory yes, if you have lit it properly. But remember that theatres do have some lights on at all times - such as exit signs.
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That's true, but my room is not so dark and still cotton is invisible. Even with the exit signs on, it would still be very dark. Perhaps, I could try it out with differen types of fabric?
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Feel free to experiment. Black felt can work in a pinch (or if you're really short on cash) but as said above, velvet is best- double velvet if possible.
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David Nathan Magic
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OK, I will try some different fabrics.

Thanks, everyone!
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The only material that really always works is v e l v e t.
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Another thing to consider is eyesight. To your eyes, the illusions you make and look at in your room may be perfectly adequate, but try getting the opinion of some children who have sharper eyesight and perhaps better night vision and see how they react and what they can tell you about what you think will work before you use it in public.

As a little challenge for those who think Black Art has always got to be the darkest most light absorbing black, there are some effects on The Magic Nook that make use of White Art, and not only white, but shiny, smooth, reflective white. What works for an illusion is not always what "tradition" says you "must" use. Sometimes you must actually break the rules to achieve the effect. PM me if you want to guess to which effects I'm referring. Spellbinder will kill me, but I'll put up a prize of a free Jim Gerrish e-Book of your choice for the winner(s). I may have to rescind this prize offer if I'm forced to live on peanut butter and crackers as a result.
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Well actually I am a child, so I don't think I will need to consult children. But can you tell a little more about white art?
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It's not about consulting children- get some opinions from others who may have more perfect eyesight than you, unless you are convinced your eyesight is perfect and what you see everyone else will also see.

In view of the contest running, I will not comment further on white art except in private PMs.
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On 2013-06-25 19:44, jimgerrish wrote:
As a little challenge for those who think Black Art has always got to be the darkest most light absorbing black, there are some effects on The Magic Nook that make use of White Art, and not only white, but shiny, smooth, reflective white. What works for an illusion is not always what "tradition" says you "must" use. Sometimes you must actually break the rules to achieve the effect. PM me if you want to guess to which effects I'm referring. Spellbinder will kill me, but I'll put up a prize of a free Jim Gerrish e-Book of your choice for the winner(s). I may have to rescind this prize offer if I'm forced to live on peanut butter and crackers as a result.


I declare the White Art contest at an end, with no winner. For those who attempted to identify Magic Nook effects that make use of white art, but who did not succeed, here are two possible answers:

Several of Qua-Fiki's Bunny Business effects make use of White Art. He has videos of the different effects, so I'll let you find them on your own. Spellbinder converted a UF Grant effect which used Black Art into an effect using White Art in the Mini-Mysteries section, Book 2, "Space Thought Revisited." There are other examples, but that's all I am revealing, just for those who PM'd me saying it couldn't be done and that there was no such thing as "White Art." If you want an example of "flashy neon rainbow art" check out my "Color-Free Table Well & Astro Box" in The Wizards' Journal #22.

Thanks for those who thought hard and tried their best; that is its own reward.
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I have tried several materials, indeed velvet's the best!
but I also found that if you use a fogger and you just use a little bit of fog over the stage, even cotton works fine!
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If you are working professional venues you also need to take into account fabric that is certified flame resistant.
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A little bit of fog to cover up: pigheaded.
Do it right or don't do it at all.
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Look, I know that I should use velvet, and I do have about 5,5 metres... but that's not enough for my act.
though, the fabric is quite expensive, and I'm only 14 years old. so I'm simply looking for the cheapest way that works.
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I have seen it done with flat black paint even. It's all about light, reflection, shadow, etc. That can change from venue to venue.

I used black art in a venue last year with the curtains as a backdrop. I thought the curtains were black, so it should have worked. When I got there and started to set up, I discovered that the curtains were actually Navy Blue.

It worked anyway.
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