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doowopper Elite user 492 Posts |
I just saw a demo video of Quad-Rope-Lets. It looks like an improvement over the traditional Professor's Nightmare, at least in the video. If you a familiar with the effect, could you please tell me if it can be done close-up and if you think the effect is good.
Thanks Richard Hirschman |
thumbslinger Elite user This is a good number: 458 Posts |
Richard-
I just got Quadropelets and really like it so far. It definitely 'stretches' (pardon the pun) the original Professors Nightmare to about the right length for a routine. I don't see why it can't be done close-up. There is one particular moment in the four phase routine where hands are a little more...'important' than during other times, but because of the length of rope you're holding, it's pretty easy to get away with. I wouldn't say it's easy enough to do close like a monte card trick, but at the same time, I don't believe you need to have 10 or 15 feet of stage either! I'm just really impressed with the timing...extends a rope routine to just about the right amount before the audience is tired of ropes!
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Quad rope lets is a very old Hen Fentch trick from before we were born. It is a great trick. The only reason no one ever did it much because it requires set up. Alot of magicians just would rather do professors nitemare instead of spending any time setting up a trick.
Bill |
leondo Special user Las Vegas 759 Posts |
Is the original Hen Fetch trick published anywhere?
Ted (Leondo) |
xanatos Regular user Wilbraham, MA 144 Posts |
Wmhegbli,
You mention "set up". I need to carry stuff with me to perform apparently impromptu. I carry a set of small ropes for Professor's Nightmare with me everywhere I go... would I be able to do this routine with equal ease? I just saw the ad for quadropelets in LL Publishing's catalog... Thanks for the info, Dave |
Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
By set-up I mean, when I go to a show I still have to stuff my silk into a compartment. Put the birds in pockets. Unpack my suitcase table.
Yes, rope can be carried anywhere you go. As long as you go hide in a corner and set-up the you trick. This is not an impromptu trick. Remember there is no such thing a "Real Magic", it all requires set up to some degree. What degree are you will to go to for a miracle to occure? Bill |
xanatos Regular user Wilbraham, MA 144 Posts |
Hi Bill,
Well, I carry a small set of three ropes already for Professor's Nightmare. I consider that pretty impromptu- the only setup I need is... to have the ropes. Looking at the video on elmwood magic's site, it LOOKS pretty clean. I can see how the first few stages past the initial PN are done, and I have speculation about the others. If you'd call "setup" having a 6' rope available conveniently... I'd call that pretty do-able for my purposes. Consider I might be attending a back-yard party with a large group of friends and campers, and while sitting around the fire, it might come up in conversation that someone needs about 6' of rope to hang their towel on to dry, or to tie up something (maybe their wife...???). I say that I might have something, and pull out three unequal ropes, apologize that they are not long enough to do the job, and say, "But, I might be able to use a little magic to help you out", and do the routine for them (and everyone), and wind up with a 6' piece, which I can then hand to them to use. If I can do that with ease of "set-up" for that situation, then I'm sold. Comments? Dave |
Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
The only way I can make this as clear as possible, it is gimmicked rope, they cannot inspect this rope. These are not ordinary rope for $30. The regular PM cost $2, will it may be more now but that is what I paid for it. It may be $5 now.
The rope is a prepared rope, beyond being magicians rope (soft), beyond having it in your case ahead of time. A phantom tube needs to be set up to produce the items before an audience. This trick needs set up prior to showing it. I does take some prep time. I don't know what else to say without exposing the secret, which we are not allowed to do on this site. Bill |
xanatos Regular user Wilbraham, MA 144 Posts |
OK, I appreciate what's happening there. While it wouldn't work for what was in my mind in that one case, it would still work very well in other situations, and sounds like it is worth my investment for all but my outdoor/camping performances where I'd be producing the rope for use.
Thanks for your clarifications, they are much appreciated! Best, Dave |
Daniel Faith Inner circle Neenah, Wisconsin 1526 Posts |
I have seen the ad's for this in Magic magazine and was wondering if it was any good.
Sounds like it's worth the $30.
Daniel Faith
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Popo Loyal user Valparaiso, IN 219 Posts |
I am new to rope magic. I do the Professor's Nightmare, Cut and Restored Rope, and an escape. I have only included these in my act foe the past month. I would like to know if Quad Rope Lets would be over my head for where I am at?
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
It is mechanical and really takes no skill... just set it up and pull.
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Popo Loyal user Valparaiso, IN 219 Posts |
Thanks, Pete! Away I go!
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santlerconjurer Veteran user 364 Posts |
I am VERY diappointed with the ropes provided. I've been doing this effect since the 1960's and was happy to see a modern version with r**e m****ts instead of s**ps or Delben r**e gimmicks. The appearance at closing was really persuasive compared with older methods.
BUT: one of the ropes started fraying and "bunching up" from the outset, and soon bits of the core started popping out. I repaired it with white glue and patching material but it looks less than great, and now the same problem is appearing with one of the other ropes. Not a nice outcome, but my $30 shows me it is possible for this effect to work nicely with better ropes and r**e m*****s for the climax. |
tgcramer38 New user Longview, WA 35 Posts |
I am a novice at rope magic also. The conversation has sparked my interest. Thanks for all the food for thought.
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John Cass Regular user 131 Posts |
The ropes for this effect should be cored. That eliminates part of the problem. I have been doing it for a very long time. Sorry to hear that the new version is not up to snuff.
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Gensheimer New user 14 Posts |
I'm surprised about the post concerning the quality of the Quadroplets rope. I purchased a set from Elmwood Magic and was pleased that the rope was the nicest I have encountered to date. And the ends were sealed so as to seem indestructable. I have made up some Pavel rope effects myself using different types of magician's rope, including "elite" magician's rope, but these do not compare to the Elmwood product. The Quadroplets set is definitely first class. And the routine is a worker.
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PickMagic New user 11 Posts |
I've been practicing this effect for a little over a month and have had no issues.
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magicians Inner circle Teacher and Legend 2898 Posts |
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On 2004-03-22 14:41, santlerconjurer wrote: I totally agree. I recently bought a set of quadropelets (for research purposes). 1) The rope provided is extremely poor quality, the foam core makes the set stiff, and definitely not what hen Fetch had in mind. 2) I had issue with the setup, inasmuchas there was no true way to start it without a fuss. 3) The rope set I have is also from Elmwood, and unless he has a different version, these ropes can't compare to elite rope at all, they are foam core, not cotton. So, to toot my own horn, try Dances with Ropes, you will get 4 different methods for professors nightmare, plus a great way to actually get into "quadropelets" visibly. Dances is available at http://www.magicians.tv. Again, if the quality of the ropes had been there, the quadropelets would be a great starter effect. History dictates that Hen Fetch was the idea man behind the Gene Gordon original professors effect. However, this is modern times, and the routine is dated and there are many more effective innovations in rope since then. And, very pricey for what you are getting. The picture shows the rope condition after a few uses. Also note how stiff the rope looks as it lays. This is critical with quadroplets, as you are creasing the rope with several severe bends during the routine. Especially the finale rope. This is bad enough, but the second time you perform, the creases are highly evident, and then the fibre foam core starts to leak thru. Click here to view attached image.
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KOTAH Inner circle 2289 Posts |
Gene Gordon gave the equal -unequal ropes its name; but he did NOT invent it. Gene bought the right to market it from a poser who ripped it off ( Unknown to Gene) from its true originator; robert L. ( Bob) Carver. Carver was inspired by the Hen Fetch effect, Quad Ropelets.
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