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On Jul 27, 2021, ted french wrote:
Magic KL, both products float an Iphone but Ibalance was the very first product to float an iphone. Apple changed their phone design so the original IBalance gimmick no longer was compatible with the current IPhone design. IBALANCE Plus is a brand new version of Ibalance you can find it here https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/15951 The advantage of iBalance Plus is you can perform the Ibalance effect with any modern style phone. When you purchase IBalance Plus you receive a gimmick for performing with iPhones and also a gimmick for performing with Android phones.


I believe Magic KL wasn't asking about the difference between iBalance and iBalance Plus -- but the difference between Hanson Chien's iLevel Pro which came out recently, and looks identical to iBalance Plus
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On Jul 27, 2021, Magic KL wrote:
What is the difference between this and Hanson Chien's iLevel Pro?

I was asking myself the same question. Especially since both have Elsdon's name on it: Why release two products that seem to do the same thing at the same price but under different names? Are we at Microsoft? ;-) Here is what Hanson writes about isight pro on his website:

"The brand new iLevel Pro gimmick will work with any smartphone. Also, its gimmick is much more invisible. You can even use it to balance other objects, such as power bank, AirPods and so on.
We also provide a container to you to carry the gimmick anywhere.
Most importantly, the new gimmick is not like the old one. It’s easily to repair and we give you everything you need, make sure you can use this gimmick for a long time."
https://www.hanson-chien.com/products/ilevel

@Marc, of you are reading this, can you please clarify?
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On Jul 27, 2021, no2ss wrote:
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On Jul 27, 2021, ted french wrote:
Magic KL, both products float an Iphone but Ibalance was the very first product to float an iphone. Apple changed their phone design so the original IBalance gimmick no longer was compatible with the current IPhone design. IBALANCE Plus is a brand new version of Ibalance you can find it here https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/15951 The advantage of iBalance Plus is you can perform the Ibalance effect with any modern style phone. When you purchase IBalance Plus you receive a gimmick for performing with iPhones and also a gimmick for performing with Android phones.


I believe Magic KL wasn't asking about the difference between iBalance and iBalance Plus -- but the difference between Hanson Chien's iLevel Pro which came out recently, and looks identical to iBalance Plus


Thanks, no2ss. You are right. I am wondering what the difference is between iBalance Pro (Elsdon) and iLevel Pro (Chien).
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On Jul 28, 2021, Magic KL wrote:
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On Jul 27, 2021, no2ss wrote:
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On Jul 27, 2021, ted french wrote:
Magic KL, both products float an Iphone but Ibalance was the very first product to float an iphone. Apple changed their phone design so the original IBalance gimmick no longer was compatible with the current IPhone design. IBALANCE Plus is a brand new version of Ibalance you can find it here https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/15951 The advantage of iBalance Plus is you can perform the Ibalance effect with any modern style phone. When you purchase IBalance Plus you receive a gimmick for performing with iPhones and also a gimmick for performing with Android phones.


I believe Magic KL wasn't asking about the difference between iBalance and iBalance Plus -- but the difference between Hanson Chien's iLevel Pro which came out recently, and looks identical to iBalance Plus


Thanks, no2ss. You are right. I am wondering what the difference is between iBalance Pro (Elsdon) and iLevel Pro (Chien).


The main technical difference is that there is some construction involved on the purchaser's side with iLevel. iBalance comes ready to go out of the box.

There is an issue with ownership as well. Mark Elsdon sold the rights to the effect to Paul Richards who then sold the rights to Penguin Magic. iLevel was made and marketed without Penguin's knowledge. Mark may have signed off on Hanson's product but unfortunately he didn't own the rights to the effect.
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Hey Josh,

I read some reviews in the past about iBalance breaking inside of the specs phone and so the magician had to work it out with them. Do you think that still is a possibility with this new iBalance Plus? Thank you!
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There is an issue with ownership as well. Mark Elsdon sold the rights to the effect to Paul Richards who then sold the rights to Penguin Magic. iLevel was made and marketed without Penguin's knowledge. Mark may have signed off on Hanson's product but unfortunately he didn't own the rights to the effect.


Hopefully Mark isn't playing both sides of the fence.
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So, the same idea was sold to two different companies?
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Now I’m confused. Are iLevel Pro and iBalance Plus the same effect?
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Yes iBalance was released, worked the phones at the time, but over time phones changed so that you would need a different gimmick, Hanson Chien liked the effect so asked Mark Elsdon if they could do the update, Mark apparently gave his blessing, so they released a new set of 3 gimmicks under the name iLevel Pro. Now P3 have updated iBalance with a new pair of gimmicks as iBalance Pro. Hanson Chien must be a bit frustrated right now.
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Did Mark sell the rights to the effect before he gave his blessing to Hanson or after? iStillConfused.
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Are the gimmicks the same? I’ve got iLevel Pro and I like it but this is all rather odd, isn’t it?
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Anyone owns both? If you had to choose one which one you prefer? Which one is the best? !!!! Or I need to buy both???
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Someone was asking about storage. I know for coin gaffs I will use the tiny (not regular size) altoid box they sell. While I haven’t tried it yet, having received the Pro version, I may try storing it in listerine tabs plastic container. That’s those mints that are little paper thin wafer sheets. Shoutout to Adam Grace btw for I think it was called Death Breath, a great little trick using those tabs btw….
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Someone was asking about storage. I know for coin gaffs I will use the tiny (not regular size) altoid box they sell. While I haven’t tried it yet, having received the Pro version, I may try storing it in listerine tabs plastic container. That’s those mints that are little paper thin wafer sheets. Shoutout to Adam Grace btw for I think it was called Death Breath, a great little trick using those tabs btw….


Interesting, iLevel comes with a holder for all 3 gimmicks. Does it come with spare material in case it breaks?
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I bought mine from Paul Richards but it broke after first use. Paul only sells at conventions so there is no way to get a replacement.
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On Aug 8, 2021, Doric wrote:
I bought mine from Paul Richards but it broke after first use. Paul only sells at conventions so there is no way to get a replacement.


So with iLevel you get spare material to make repairs. It also comes with a carry case for the gimmicks and spare material. I can totally see that having it premade saves time and was the downside to iLevel but if it breaks I know I just need to find a spare 5-10mins.
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The trick looks good, but it has the same weak point of many levitation illusions that do not use a suspension device but support from below - in the case of iBalance, the finger placed underneath with its gimmick. The smartphone is clearly on top, of course it would fall off without the preparation. Well, all magic takes place primarily in the spectator's head, and if he questions a trick, he deprives himself of a unique experience that laws of nature seem to be broken, which of course is actually impossible.
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Sounds like a sheer nightmare, I personally will stay away from breaking other peoples phones, does not sound reliable enough.
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Here’s what bothers me. Most people carry their phones in elaborate phone cases which hinders or totally restricts the application of the gimmick. Mark Elsdon’s original deck suspension is fantastic… it remains the superior version of this principle.
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