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Jiceh Special user France 742 Posts |
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So a hearty thanks to Steve Friedberg and JTW for nailing the real subject of this thread! IMHO, this topic is like an octopus. It has severals hearts and severals arms. It can lead to a lot of aspect of magic : Character, presentation, procedure, "automatic" or a routine with a lot of sleight, duration, patter, complexity of the plot ... The question can also be : Which order is the best as far as quality of performance is concerned? In which order I take yhese parameters when I work on a routine...and why? |
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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2537 Posts |
Oil & Water tricks.
Can't abide them. ANY of them (so please don't send me a link to a Rene Levand clip on YouTube). 'Magicians Magic' personified in my book - and that woeful bleedin patter story about the black cards being oil, the reds water, they won't mix, etc. Arrrrrrgghhhhhh!
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neemdog Loyal user 231 Posts |
I never do "Spectator Cuts to the Aces" because they are always suspicious that I had something to do with it
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WalterPlinge Veteran user 357 Posts |
Where are the moderators when we need them most, to keep the trolls away? Specifically, TKB.
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
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On 2013-07-16 15:56, Jiceh wrote: I thought that [apocryphal] quote was the one you meant. I just quoted a couple of other appropriate ones, (the first, from Candide, being ironic, as it also is in the novel.) A bientot. |
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Cain Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 1550 Posts |
I never do tricks that require the spectator to cut off some cards, secretly count them, and then, as I show the remaining cards one at a time, remember the card at her "totally random" number.
Ellusionst discussing the Arcane Playing cards: "Michaelangelo took four years to create the Sistine Chapel masterpiece... these took five."
Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes: "You know Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are even worse!" |
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
I NEVER do any trick requiring the spectator to pick a card..
Oh, wait. I actually do several of those... Never mind.
Steven Keyl - The Human Whisperer!
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Robert P. Special user Kansas 632 Posts |
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On 2013-07-16 16:38, Merc Man wrote: But it can't be done any slower! (Apologies to Mr. Levand, I actually love his version) Roja, negra, roja, negra, roja, negra... |
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Ado Inner circle New York City 1033 Posts |
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On 2013-07-16 19:33, WalterPlinge wrote: It seems that the "trolls" always argue with the same people here. So maybe the troll attractors should behave differently so as not to create more fuss? P! |
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fonda57 Inner circle chicago 3078 Posts |
And Vlad--you are one of the nicest and least pretentious members here.
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Jiceh Special user France 742 Posts |
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On 2013-07-16 19:54, tomsk192 wrote: Thanks for the quotes. It reminds me the time I read Candide : A small book but a good one. |
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Jiceh Special user France 742 Posts |
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On 2013-07-16 21:15, Steven Keyl wrote: The next step is "I never do a trick for a spectator"? I appreciate your humor, thanks |
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Jiceh Special user France 742 Posts |
A trick I never do :
All the tricks that use/need a down under deal because it looks so mechanical/mathematical |
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MaxfieldsMagic Inner circle Instead of practicing, I made 3009 Posts |
There are a few card tricks I keep practicing, hoping to perform them some day, but don't because they're not "there" in my hands yet. Sometimes I wonder if it's just a waste of time, but then every so often there is an accidental breakthrough and perhaps one is ready for real life. I think I practiced James Swain's "Airmail Card" for a year before I actually tried it out on someone, and almost gave up on it in the meantime. My main criterion for a good effect is "does it look like real magic in the creator's (or at least someone's) hands?" Second consideration is "is this different/novel?" If those criteria are satisfied, it's worth working on, even if it means eventually waving the white flag and moving on to something else.
As far as things I'll never do, one category would be any effect that relies heavily on the flushstration count. I just don't believe enough in the effectiveness of that technique to convincingly sell it. Others have had success with it, but the first time I saw it I kept wondering why the magician showed the same card over and over again, not even realizing the intended effect. That impression has stuck with. I'm also not big on any effect that requires turning over more than three cards "as one," or that requires holding out several palmed cards. Apparently some can pull off those techniques, but there's no point in ignoring personal limitations. There's too much amazing card magic out there that can be done in a relatively natural manner.
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Gourmet Loyal user 289 Posts |
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On 2013-07-17 15:11, Jiceh wrote: you might reconsider that statement after watching this |
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Jiceh Special user France 742 Posts |
The trick is not bad but I don't really like it. It looks like a puzzle. There is no hook ... But it has a good potential. Thanks for the link. I'm sure some magicians will add it to their repertoire |
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
Go for it, Jiceh, I agree!
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Erdnase27 Inner circle 2505 Posts |
For me it is "The ultimate Card Shark" by Darwin Ortiz. I think it is one of the very best gambling routines out there. I can see myself performing it, I have the moves down pat, I have my own scripting down pat and I love actually performing it/practising it, but I am almost NEVER in the situation to actually really perform it, that is:
a) fulfilling all the criteria needed to actually perform the effect b) Right environment c) All prework done d) real buildvvup to finish this trick as a finale and knock their socks off (and this trick does exactly that... knock their socks off). In fact, I perform it's "lesser" variant, the 100% impromptu "The Sting" from Cardshark, this is any deck and needs less stringent setups etc. No offence to the effect "The Sting" by the way, just like Darwin I have performed this for laypeople, magicians and pitbosses and it truly is a KNOCKOUT routine. I just hope that one time I can find myself performing "The Ultimate Cardshark". My c*****g isn't top notch, otherwise I could for example perform "The Professional" from the Scams & Fantasies book. I am by no means a professional magician, otherwise I would ofcourse have much more opportunities, but I have to keep my hobbies, "somewhat a secret" Sigh, one time I will and I will "knock their socks off" so to speak |
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martydoesmagic Inner circle Essex, UK 1666 Posts |
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As far as things I'll never do, one category would be any effect that relies heavily on the flushstration count. I just don't believe enough in the effectiveness of that technique to convincingly sell it. Others have had success with it, but the first time I saw it I kept wondering why the magician showed the same card over and over again, not even realizing the intended effect. That impression has stuck with. I understand your hesitence to use this count. However, I use this move extensively to great effect. Sure, some people can see through it, but this is usually because the wrong rhythm is being used during the count, or the magician uses the wrong words to acompany the sleight. For example, if you're using the FC to display the faces of four Jokers (?), then you should focus on the number of cards during the count and not the suit/value. Also, this move excels as a "convincer" when used with other sleights, e.g. a ML sequence. Marty P.S. Forgot to mention the trick I don't do. Well it isn't a specific trick, just any trick that doesn't allow audience members to get involved in the action, either physically or emotionally. Unfortunatley, too many card tricks fall into this category (watch me magic). |
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Jiceh Special user France 742 Posts |
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On 2013-07-17 16:07, tomsk192 wrote: I have just done it. Thanks for the idea. |
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