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So, this forum's kinda dead. Let's identify tricks that maintain your stack order. Ideally, the stack *improves* these tricks.

Harry Lorayne's Foursome. I think a stack improves it because you don't need to search through the cards face up. Three double-turnovers and show the selection.
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A recent thread reminded me of Reverse Logic by Michael Close. It's a 4 phase routine: named four-of a kind turns over, Jennings' Instant Aces, Vernon's Twisting The Aces, Jennings' Royal Reverse. Builds nicely and at the end you only need to replace the 4 cards. In fact, any 4-of-a-kind type tricks work well with a memdeck since you're only displacing 4 cards.

Denis Behr at EMC 2012 altered his stack so that he could perform Tantalizer from Royal Road. At the conclusion of all the dealing his deck was in memorized order. Any trick with a deterministic mixing i.e. the straight dealing, you could figure out how to alter your stack so you end up in proper stack order. Interesting idea but I realize that you're looking for effects you can do while already in stack order.

I've also spent time to identify tricks that I can do throughout the 8-out faro cycle of my MD. So I can string together several tricks shuffling the pack the whole time and at the end I arrive back in my memdeck order. Not published yet but hopefully I'll be able to release it at some point.

Another trick is an ACR. At the end you may have 2 or 3 displaced cards that you'll need to correct but the stack itself remains mostly intact.
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Richard Osterlind's "Corinda Effect" done with a memorized deck deserves a mention. This will fly by even the most astute spectators, and best of all, you will only have one card displaced at the conclusion of the effect.

Great thread. Let's keep it up (!)
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I recommend Richard Osterlind's "Challenge Mind Reading" from Mind Mysteries - Volume 2. I think it does have a place in this thread. It's impromptu when you have your stack ready. After the trick is done, only one card is displaced. I love performing this one.
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[quote]On 2013-07-18 08:18, Steven Keyl wrote:
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Denis Behr at EMC 2012 altered his stack so that he could perform Tantalizer from Royal Road. At the conclusion of all the dealing his deck was in memorized order.


That's precisely the sort of trick that's well-suited for this thread: it's normally performed impromptu, but can be done from a stack. This appears in Behr's first book.

I love the above-two Osterlind tricks, however they're not actually impromptu as they require a setup.
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Simon Aronson shares a number of routines that meet this criteria on his website. Captain effects on there are much improved because of the stack (although they are not really memdeck effects).

Many pick-a-card effects can be easily adapted. For example, Vernon's original Triumph fits the bill, and I have adapted a handling for John Guastaferro's "Truth in Advertising" that maintains the order except for one card (and it is easy to replace at the end). Great thread, can't wait to see other's suggestions.
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On 2013-07-20 05:00, Cain wrote:

I love the above-two Osterlind tricks, however they're not actually impromptu as they require a setup.


Actually, those were two of the tricks I was talking about in my previous post. All of the Osterlind BCS tricks only require that you know the next card given the identity of the previous card. I do all of those effects from faro-variants of my MD.

Here's a quick snap-shot of how one might do this:

  • Start in stack order
  • Do a couple of faros as you're explaining the effect
  • Perform "The Corinda Effect" with a stack that is at Index 16
  • After another faro perform "Challenge Mind Reading" with a stack at Index 8
  • After two more faros perform "Card Calling" with the stack at Index 2
  • Do one more faro and you're back in stack order


The deck has been apparently shuffled several times so no one is thinking about a stack. And you haven't even performed an effect with your actual stack yet!

The only caveat is that it doesn't work well with a stack containing a periodic suit rotation like Si Stebbins or 8 Kings because as you continue faro'ing the deck the suits clump up until you're at Index 4 at which point all of the suits are together in 4 large blocks.

And Triumph is a great example, Jeff!
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Great thread.

I have always used a joker(or sometimes two) with the mem deck. They add so many new options and can easily solve many of these kinds of displacement problems in a logical way.

2 jokers in an ambitious card routine can go a long way(e.g. as the cards displaced during any TL/DL phases), and they can be logically removed before the next effect or faro, or better yet as a part of a subsequent effects presentation.

Another example is any Homing Card style effect, which can be performed without any displacement by using a combination of controls and using a joker as the original pocketed card, to allow for a free selection and no other prior set-up.

Any time you choose you can remove jokers from a deck and it makes sense.

A two card transposition can be eaily constructed to avoid any displacement. iT is likely that your stack of choice has several instances of mates in close proximity. If in the ideal example you have two same coloured mates either next to each other or seperated by one (ideally contrasting)card then there is a nice opportunity for a convincing display using the pseudo double. Or if your stack doesn't have close mates built in....use jokers.

I could go on (and on). This is also all written up in a chapter of my book and will see the light of day one day soon.

Keep the ideas coming!


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Chappy- that's an interesting idea about using jokers to avoid displacements in an ACR.

Steven-

After reading your first post, I thought your idea was intriguing and imagined some of the possible routines to do in between faros. I rather dully thought of serendipitous four-of-a-kind placements, and the like, but adapting Osterlind's cyclical tricks makes perfect sense. It's a great idea. I'm keenly interested in your routining and look forward to someday reading it.

I don't want to sound like I'm policing the thread, but we already have a lot of commentary dedicated to the best mem-deck tricks, and I'm sure the Osterlind BCS tricks have been mentioned dozens of times.


Here's a rather obvious candidate for this thread: Smiling Mule.

Roy Walton's classic has been adapted to a memorized stack by Michael Close and Darwin Ortiz. It's an obvious candidate because a MD offers the added benefit of locating the named selection from a face-down spread. (Although I think Close spreads face-up with an "estimated push-off" and Ortiz has a silly (there's no other way to put it) setup involving an injogged card and a pinky break). The easiest method is to do the gag, and then under the cover of the reaction, spread the cards, estimating 2 or 3 before the location, break the spread and flash the two halves "it's in here somewhere" and then spread to and cull the selection. When you break the halves you openly glimpse where you are in the spread (because every card in a MD is an indicator card) and then you continue on to the named card. Easy-peasy.
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Greg I really like the Joker idea. Too bad I have been discarding jokers all this time.

For users of Aronson stack, I find that all sorts of 4 of a kind tricks are easiest to do with the jacks - I find it easy to replace them in the deck given their possitions.
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Here's a rather obvious candidate for this thread: Smiling Mule.


That's a great example. Any effect where cards are normally fanned face up becomes an immediate candidate for a MD.

Here's another effect that falls into that category. It's something I call IUD -- Invisible Ungaffed Deck. Based on a combination of Ackerman's Impromptu Ultra-Mental and Michael Close's MD variation of the same effect. In Close's version (as you noted earlier) he uses a face up MD to estimate the location of a named card. But by turning the two halves of deck face inward you can achieve a true Ultra-mental or Brainwave type effect with a normal deck. What I really love is that you can have two named cards reversed together at center deck.
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Cutting 17

Effect: Someone selects a card, which is lost into the pack. Another person names a number between 10-20 (suppose she calls out "fifteen"). The magician not only cuts off exactly 15 cards, but the 15th card is revealed as the selection."

This is the first trick in THE CLASSIC MAGIC OF LARRY JENNINGS, and Harry Lorayne has a popular version called "Numero Uno" that has been published in various places.

Since a lot of mem-deck workers use a breather crimp, you're always set up to do it. All you need to do is 1) have the selection controlled next to the breather (I use what Lee Asher's called "The Losing Control"); 2) move the selection to 17th position, which is trivially easy with a memorized stack (however, instead of thinking of moving the selection to the 17th position, I think about getting the 36th card onto the bottom).

This was one of Jennings' and Blackstone's favorite tricks, but it has more going for it than a strong, entertaining effect. It's versatile because it can play in stand-up/no-table situations as well as parlor environments.
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Damon, Thanks.

Regarding Four of a kind effects with Aronson, you may also like to use the Aces which are altogether (actually split two either side of the KD) after 6 out faros or two anti faros.

If your ace effects do not upset the rest of the order, then you can easily reinsert them and with 2 out faros you are back at home position. I re-insert them as a block of four under the king(KD), then cull the KD between them during a casual spread.
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Thanks Bill.

One that I just recalled is Grey's Spelling Trick. I only used it a couple times as I'm not a fan of spelling tricks. Anyway...

Spread the cards toward the spectator at eye-level, instructing her to call "stop." I basically force 23-30.

Learn the card's identity (many ways to do this).

Now it's just a matter of 2nd grade math. If someone picks the Five of Hearts (24 in my stack), then I know that that spells with 12 letters. I know the 12th card in my stack is the four of clubs, which spells with eleven letters, so I need to displace one card.

This has the advantage over the original that you do not need to look through the deck because everything's already set up.
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Cutting 17

Effect: Someone selects a card, which is lost into the pack. Another person names a number between 10-20 (suppose she calls out "fifteen"). The magician not only cuts off exactly 15 cards, but the 15th card is revealed as the selection."

This is the first trick in THE CLASSIC MAGIC OF LARRY JENNINGS, and Harry Lorayne has a popular version called "Numero Uno" that has been published in various places.

Since a lot of mem-deck workers use a breather crimp, you're always set up to do it. All you need to do is 1) have the selection controlled next to the breather (I use what Lee Asher's called "The Losing Control"); 2) move the selection to 17th position, which is trivially easy with a memorized stack (however, instead of thinking of moving the selection to the 17th position, I think about getting the 36th card onto the bottom).

This was one of Jennings' and Blackstone's favorite tricks, but it has more going for it than a strong, entertaining effect. It's versatile because it can play in stand-up/no-table situations as well as parlor environments.

isn't the first trick in said Jennings book, Always Cut the Cards?
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I think you're correct. Maybe it's the first trick in THE CARDWRIGHT. It was one of Jennings' favorites (and Blackstone too, I believe).
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Sounds good. I'll have to look it up!
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Cain

The Two Black Aces from Magic of Francis Carlyle is something I have used for a while, except I use two jokers. This trick preserves the stack.

If an Aronson stack is used and the top two cards are moved to the bottom of the deck you can do Milt Kort's All-Outs Think of a Card (Bauer Private Studies #19). If you have work on the top or bottom card of your stack you can do away with the cr***ed card. Also a Charlier cut keeps everything in order when placing the stock into the center of the deck. The nice thing about this is that you know all of the cards surrounding the three of hearts.

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