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For Pete's sake, I'll try the sake!
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They're putting their things over there.

Is is all for naught when a knot is not a knot?


Michael-

I see you're from the Mid-West.

That one doesn't work if you have a New Jersey/New York accent like me. For example, we don't pronounce "caught" the same as "cot" and "naught" is not a homonym for "not."

Have two friends here in Seattle- one is named Dawn and the other is Don. The way folks talk* here they pronounce them both exactly the same and I have no idea who they're talking about! Smile

* and "talk" isn't pronounced the same as "tock!" It's "Tawk" - gotta get the "w" in there.
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I'm having a birthday present shipped to a friend today: to wit, to Whit.
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On 2013-07-19 15:12, Michael Baker wrote:
They're putting their things over there.

Is is all for naught when a knot is not a knot?


Michael-

I see you're from the Mid-West.

That one doesn't work if you have a New Jersey/New York accent like me. For example, we don't pronounce "caught" the same as "cot" and "naught" is not a homonym for "not."

Have two friends here in Seattle- one is named Dawn and the other is Don. The way folks talk* here they pronounce them both exactly the same and I have no idea who they're talking about! Smile

* and "talk" isn't pronounced the same as "tock!" It's "Tawk" - gotta get the "w" in there.

I have relatives and friends in New Yawk. I only know a few people in Joisey.

Regional accents do serve to confuse the issues.

Around my area, naught would be pronounced as the "ot" otter. But, I've been places where they'd say I otter speak better. Smile
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[ have relatives and friends in New Yawk. I only know a few people in Joisey.


It's Noo Yawk and Noo Joisey
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Upon being shot at the dove dove into the thick woods.
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about? Smile

My neighbor rang my doorbell at 2:30 a.m. this morning, can you believe that, 2:30 a.m.!? Lucky for him I was still up playing my drums.
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There are local accents within New York/New Jersey as well. For example, in Jersey City or Brooklyn you might hear the pronunciation "Joisey" but you'll hear it pronounced "Jersey" in most other areas.

But no native there pronounces "lawn" as "lon." That would be like saying "Ah" and "Aw" the same way. No one would know if you were sympathizing or having a revelation.
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You're right, growing up in Queens, I never called Jersey Joisey. But I remember some of the other unusual words like url (as in earl) for oil, particularly when applied for oil to the car or lubrication. Cawn for corn, heah for hear, etc. New Yorkers, like many New Englanders have problems with the letter "r" in certain places of the word.
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When I worked oil, I did a bit of company training in the US. Took me quite a while to figure out why the Texans (or Oklahomans, maybe both)kept talking about turbans. Finally figured out that they were referring to turbines.
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The New Orleans accent and the Queens accent are very similar. Some folks say the Queens accent preserves the "original" New York accent, and that many of its features were adopted from the speech of cotton traders from the deep South.
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I've always thought that Louisiana's accent (N'awluns in particular) stemmed from the French Cajuns who migrated there from Nova Scotia and the surrounding areas. My knowledge of Queens is that it wasn't settled as a major population center until well after the American Revolution. Folks from Brooklyn migrated to Queens to move out to the "country" of Long Island. When my grandfather bought the house I was raised in, in 1924 in Queens Village, there were mass building projects of row houses and larger populations developed. Even as a child in the fifties I remember farmland beyond Queens in Nassau and Suffolk Counties and my parents getting fresh corn and other produce from farms as near as Elmont, the present location of Belmont Race Track.

Language is interesting and I'd have thought the Queens accent evolved from original NYC settlers and others perhaps even from New England, whose accents are similar to NY. But I suppose the evolution from southern cotton traders is entirely possible. Interesting.
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You've also got to consider that metro New York was a melting pot of many languages and dialects, mainly Irish, English, Yiddish, German, Dutch and Italian- mix 'em all together and you've got the New York accent.
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You've also got to consider that metro New York was a melting pot of many languages and dialects, mainly Irish, English, Yiddish, German, Dutch and Italian- mix 'em all together and you've got the New York accent.


And some of the food ain't half bad, either! Smile
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You've also got to consider that metro New York was a melting pot of many languages and dialects, mainly Irish, English, Yiddish, German, Dutch and Italian- mix 'em all together and you've got the New York accent.


And some of the food ain't half bad, either! Smile

I'd give what little hair I have left on my head for a good Jewish deli in my rural Delaware, serving up hot pastrami or corned beef, piled high on seeded rye. And home made knishes, matzo ball soup, and not to mention good Nova and salted belly lox. Bagels I can get, but pre packaged lox doesn't cut it.
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about? Smile

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I didn't object to the object in question.
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about? Smile

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Sadly, one of the last Brooklyn delis, which was near my house, (hmm...which/that?) just closed. It was run for many years by a Christian Egyptian whose training was as an archaeologist. Came to NYC and there wasn't that much to dig up anymore. Great potato knishes.
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Not really the same, but I always liked Groucho's line in The Big Store to Margaret Dumont--"Marry me darling, and your concern will be my concern."
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Hi Bob,

With respect to the New York melting pot, it has always been that way. At the time of the British takeover from the Dutch, only 10% of New Yorkers were in fact Dutch. But they maintained their identity and culture for many years. Teddy Roosevelt's grandparents still spoke Dutch at home, 200 years after Nieuw Amsterdam became New York.
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