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magicteachernyc New user NYC 7 Posts |
I am doing a free show for a day camp. I offered to do the show for free so that I can have a photographer be there to take pictures for my website, however I didn't yet mention the photographer part to the client. (oops!) How would you suggest asking the client if I can bring a photographer to the show? I will certainly let her know that the majority of pictures taken will be of only me performing, but since it is a day camp for children 3-6 yrs old, I am anticipating the possibility of pushback. I don't want to do the show if pictures can't be taken, so it is important that she allows this to happen. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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mrunge Inner circle Charleston, SC 3716 Posts |
Wonder if you can have the photographer shoot so the backs of their heads are in the picture as they watch you? Also, wonder about having waivers for those you might want close ups of, with the parents signature on them?
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JoshLondonMagic Special user 675 Posts |
Do first then ask. If you ask the client if you can bring a photographer and mention that the kids won't be photographed you've already pretty much told him the kids COULD be in the photos. Bring the photographer along and introduce him/her to the booker upon arrival and mention he is going to take some pictures.
It's a free gig so they Gould give you something in return for your time and show. Josh
Josh
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magicteachernyc New user NYC 7 Posts |
Mark- I will definitely try just for the back of their heads
Josh- Great Point! Ask for forgiveness instead of permission |
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Mark Boody Illusionist Inner circle 1366 Posts |
Do the right thing...ask permission first. If they say no...do the show any way. They might remember your show, but they will always remember your integrity. Your word & your integrity is EVERYTHING!
Mark
Only he who can see the invisible can do the impossible. Frank L. Gaines
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Robin4Kids Veteran user Lower Alabama 396 Posts |
If you (or your photographer) have the means to put the photos shot on a website, you could offer free downloads of the images to the parents. This would give you the opportunity to shoot laughing faces (much better than the back of their heads). You could also put your name and website on each image and hopefully some of them will show up on Facebook. If any parent has an objection to you using any photos with their child on your website, this will give them the opportunity to let you know.
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Michael Messing Inner circle Knoxville, TN 1817 Posts |
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On 2013-07-19 21:11, JoshLondonMagic wrote: Wow, I have to jump in on this. I am a professional photographer, as well as a full-time magician, and you cannot take photos of kids (or adults) and use them without permission! You can get in some pretty serious problems when you post photos of people without their permission. As a photographer, I try to get a signed release form from people, acknowledging that I can commercially use photos that have them in it. For a camp, school, or preschool, they have strict rules on whether you can take publish photos of the kids or not. (Some schools have a list of kids whose parents have not given permission to have their kids in photos and will make sure the photographer knows which ones not to shoot.) You definitely need to discuss this in advance. The camp director may get permission from some parents to use specific children. |
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Michael Messing Inner circle Knoxville, TN 1817 Posts |
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On 2013-07-19 21:19, magicteachernyc wrote: If you shoot from the back of their heads, you probably won't have an issue but you won't get the best photos. You want people to see their happy and excited faces! That does require permission and it has to come from their parents if you plan to use the photos to promote your business. |
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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7563 Posts |
If you are actually doing a barter (swapping a show for the opportunity to take photos), instead of a gift (donating a show), this should have been discuseed when you booked the show.
And yes, I agree with the others who say that most childcares and schools don't allow for photos unless everything is cleared in advance. And even then, some have a strict policy against it. - Donald
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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gordon russ New user 58 Posts |
I agree with Donald, "This should have been discussed when you booked the show". The letter that accompanies my contract reads: If your venue allows, I will bring a camera to the performance and will post some photos of the show on my Faceboook Fan Page after the event. You are welcome to post your own photos and comments. https://www.facebook.com/MagicianGordonRuss
I post photos from most every show I do on Facebook. I give a couple of kids from the audience a camera and make them my "Paparazzi" for the show. Almost every photo I have posted on my Facebook fan page were taken this way. If it is a public show I do not think there is any problem posting photos of the show on Facebook. I believe times have changed, and people do not think twice about it. Most of the photos on my website were taken this way. If I ever get a cease and desist letter I will cease and desist. Magicteachernys should have chosen a public venue like a library or festival. Day Cares are one of the few places that have told me that their venue does not allow photos. He also said, "I will definitely try just for the back of their heads". Back of the head shots are worthless. You want excited, happy, smiling kids. I tell my paparazzi that I want smiling faces not the back of kids heads. Gordon PS Save your money on a photographer, let the give the kids at your show a camera and let them take the photos. |
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gordon russ New user 58 Posts |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Magicteachernyc, what you are doing is sneaky and underhand. If you wanted to take pictures, you should have been up front about it from the start. If I was the booker and you showed up with a photographer without seeking permission, I would probably stop you performing.
You told them you were donating a show, then you arrive with conditions. Not good. I would do the show, leave the photographer at home, and rethink the whole thing. Next time you do this, do it right. Also, if you plan on using the images, don't you need parents and guardians to sign releases? You certainly do over here. If you just handed cameras to the kids, and then put those images on facebook, as one poster suggested, then you could find yourself in trouble over here.
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mrunge Inner circle Charleston, SC 3716 Posts |
Here's an idea. Why don't you just contact the organizer and ASK if it would be OK to take pictures and see what they say?
Tell them you'd like to take pictures, if possible, for use in some marketing you're working on. If they say OK, then fine. If they say NO, then fine. Just ask!! You've got nothing to lose since you weren't planning to take pictures to begin with. Mark. |
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Michael Messing
I want the back of their heads. When you see me performing in front of 50 little angels you are seeing the point of the promo shot. I always have the teacher use my camera, so there is no sneaking around.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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John Martin Inner circle 1017 Posts |
Oscar Munoz has his show video taped by the kids in the audience. He has a couple of "helmet cams" he lets the kids wear to video the show. Someone at his lecture asked him if he asked permission to be allowed to video tape. He said that the organizations didn't asked his permission to video tape him, so he wasn't going to ask their permission. Good point. Worst case scenario they say you can't take pictures. I find magicians tend to over think and created problems for themselves.
John PS I like Al's idea. And you save $$$ not having to hire a photograher. |
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Michael Messing Inner circle Knoxville, TN 1817 Posts |
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On 2013-07-23 12:04, John Martin wrote: Actually, the worst case scenario is being sued for invasion of privacy. John, I know you are in Canada where the laws are different so I don't know how it works there. In the U.S., if people don't give you permission to use their photos on your website or facebook page, they may try to sue you. Whether or not they will be successful is debatable. I take a photo of my audience at each library show I do but I do tell them it will be posted on facebook. If no one objects, I go ahead and use it. If someone was to object, I would then ask them to step out of the view of the camera while I take the photo. You are taking of risk of being entangled in legal issues if you don't ask to use the photos. (Please note, I am not saying you will have problems. I'm saying you can have problems.) As a professionally photographer, I am painfully aware of the legal battles photographers have dealt with because someone didn't want their photo posted online. In addition, there is a heightened concern in this country for keeping too much information about children being released. That can lead to an over-reaction to this sort of thing. I know that there was discussion at a board meeting I attended as to whether it was a bad policy for the association newsletter to put photos of children in it and identify them. |
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Michael Messing Inner circle Knoxville, TN 1817 Posts |
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On 2013-07-21 23:39, gordon russ wrote: Two things. You state "I believe times have changed, and people do not think twice about it." A lot of people don't but plenty still do and are adamantly opposed to having their photos or children's photos posted without their permission. You can find yourself in a lot more of a mess than you think with this. Second, you said, "Save your money on a photographer, let the give the kids at your show a camera and let them take the photos." While you might get a few good shots that way and it certainly is cheaper, it's definitely a lot less reliable. You may or may not get a good photo that way. Hiring a competent professional photographer who knows what you want will ensure that you get several good photos and should be worth it. With the proliferation of camera phones and digital photography, we have begun to devalue good photography but believe me, there is a significant difference between amateur photography and professional work. |
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
If anyone ever complains I would remove their picture instantly.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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gordon russ New user 58 Posts |
I have yet to have a complaint. I have had one parents ask me for a copy of all the photos because their camera failed, I few more have wanted some because they were such good photos.
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charliecheckers Inner circle 1969 Posts |
I. Had a parent ask that I not use any photos that include their child, but that was once or twice - fortunately. I do disclose I will be posting the photos on Facebook at each performance where I plan on posting a picture.
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