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It sounds like his dad is trying to say there was criminal intent because of the number of times he was shot and how he was shot. If so, I think he is way off, but I could be wrong in saying that's his intention.
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Why? Why do you think he is way off?
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If only the Russians were this forthcoming to release Snowden.
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On 2013-07-22 19:42, acesover wrote:

If only the Russians were this forthcoming to release Snowden.

Huh? Snowden is not being held by the Russians. By all accounts they want him to leave. He's just been unable to travel to a country willing to take him.
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On 2013-07-22 16:11, tommy wrote:
Why? Why do you think he is way off?


I think he is way off because of so many witnesses present. Also it never really came out how many individuals shot him. Was it one individual or several? I don't believe they went there to kill him. If they did they would not send that many people. To many loose ends with that many individuals.
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On 2013-07-22 19:42, acesover wrote:

If only the Russians were this forthcoming to release Snowden.

Huh? Snowden is not being held by the Russians. By all accounts they want him to leave. He's just been unable to travel to a country willing to take him.


OK I worded it badly. They are definitely harboring him in Russia and not turning him over to the U.S.

As I said early on there is a lot more going on as to what information Snowden has. How do I know? It is not rocket science we would not be causing "much ado about nothing".

I am not sure, but do you believe he is not being held in Russia against his will? Do you really feel he can come and go as he pleases? I know for sure if we had someone like him here in the U.S. we would not let him go easily. While I feel they are harboring him, I am sure they don't want to let him roam the world on his own.

I honestly do not think there is any nice way of putting it, but I feel Snowden is a traitor. Also I feel he got in over his head. I hope it ends badly for him.
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As I said early on there is a lot more going on as to what information Snowden has. How do I know? It is not rocket science we would not be causing "much ado about nothing".

Not to diminish your powers of deduction, but they told us as much weeks ago. Smile

‘Snowden has enough information to cause harm to the U.S. government in a single minute than any other person has ever had,’ Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, who was the first to publish documents leaked by Snowden.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/51469/......s-sleeve

"Very little is known about the nature of these revelations, except that Greenwald claims that they "fit in logically with the chronology that's already publicly known about Snowden". His characterization of this new information as being more significant than information already available to the public is powerful; considering the intense scrutiny past revelations have wrought upon the NSA and the Obama administration, this new information must be ground-breaking. If Greenwald is being truthful, and Snowden has documents containing revelations trumping leaks of PRISM and the NSA's secret metadata collection practices, the US government risks inflicting further damage through potentially embarrassing exposure. Safe to say, Greenwald's latest foreshadowing serves as leverage on Snowden's part."
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I am not sure, but do you believe he is not being held in Russia against his will? Do you really feel he can come and go as he pleases? I know for sure if we had someone like him here in the U.S. we would not let him go easily. While I feel they are harboring him, I am sure they don't want to let him roam the world on his own.

Can he come and go as he pleases, absolutely not. He does not have proper travel documents, so at the moment he is unable to even leave the airport to enter Russia proper (although his lawyer says that might be taken care of this week). Same as if I tried to get to the U.S. without the correct documents, I would not be allowed to enter. Nor does he have the means to leave Russia and get to country that will not immediately extradite him to the U.S.

I do not think the Russians are doing much to him, as he has been free to hold press conferences and give interviews. I think the Russians will let him go, if he can find a plane and a country that will take him. If not, I think he would have mentioned it at a press conference, in an interview, or to his lawyer to publicize.

BTW, this sort of thing (people being stuck in an airport) is nothing new:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/06/26/......enizens/

EXCERPT from link above:

In 2010 the U.S. State Department cited the case of 16 Somali asylum seekers who "spent several months living in the airport's transit zone, at times compelled to beg for food from airline passengers." The State Department report said they were unable to apply for Russian asylum and were forced to turn to the United Nations for help.

Iranian human rights activist Zahra Kamalfar spent more than nine months in the airport's transit lounge with her two children in 2006-2007 before Canada granted her asylum.

Chinese human rights activist Feng Zhenghu camped out at Tokyo's Narita airport for three months in 2009 after Chinese officials barred him from returning home. He slept on a plastic bench and survived on handouts of crackers and noodles from passers-by until Chinese authorities relented and let him fly to Shanghai.

The most famous airport resident was Mehran Karimi Nasseri, an Iranian who spent 18 years inside Terminal 1 of Paris' Charles de Gaulle airport. He lost papers confirming his refugee status and got stuck in a bureaucratic vicious circle with officials from several European countries refusing to provide him with documents that would allow him to leave the terminal.
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