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You are confusing "empathy" with "sympathy" Joe. Sympathy is feeling sorry for someone, empathy is feeling another person's feelings as if they were your own.
I'm certain you still don't understand.
James


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On 2013-08-08 20:38, Xiqual wrote:
Your personal comments are really cruel. It's easy to say things like that when you personally never post any pictures of yourself or videos of you performing. ANYONE looks weird on camera, but obviously not everyone can have empathy for another person. I know your comments will hurt Devin's feelings an that is too bad. You certainly are not worth anyone's grief.
James
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How about post some links to your Facebook page? We would all LOVE a good laugh.



I actually find these comments MUCH more condescending than magicsquared's. You're suggesting Devin "looks weird" and deserves our "empathy"? That is such a gross attitude. If someone had a comment to make to me I'd much rather they make it like magicsquared did, which seemed like the harsh teasing I might hear from a friend rather than your attitude of defending Devin like he's a special-needs student. Devin's a big boy and can handle the criticism which I think was constructive and valid, even if colorfully phrased.

Getting back to the lecture. This was one of my favorites and had a good mix of material. The added PDFs make this an insane value. Maybe Devin had a chip on his shoulder from some of the comments early on in this thread, but he definitely brought it for this lecture. I hope he is brought back.
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On 2013-08-11 01:35, jesse_james_mcguire wrote:
@ Robert P..


To Prove a point.

Suck or not... Any Magi is you're brother and deserves to be treated with respect.

So everyone needs to put their egos in check....
Magicians have the worst egos and opinions ever...


I personally like Devin's stuff and have been doing backstage monti for a few yrs now and it's a real laymen and Magician fooler.


you spelt your wrong
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@ Olympic Adam

Oh my God!,,,,,,,,,,,, NOOOOOOOONOOOOOOeOOOOOOOOOrOOOOOOOOOdOOOOO! The world just came to an end!
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On 2013-08-11 06:01, Xiqual wrote:
You are confusing "empathy" with "sympathy" Joe. Sympathy is feeling sorry for someone, empathy is feeling another person's feelings as if they were your own.
I'm certain you still don't understand.
James



Xiqual, YOU used the word empathy. Not me. I'm quite well aware of what it means. I've only quoted your own usage of it.

I'm going to give you a tip. If someone says, "Your wife looks fat in those jeans." Your response should be, "What? You're insane! She looks amazing!" Your response should NOT be, "Hey... everybody looks fat in jeans. You need to have empathy for her." Because that suggests you agree with the criticism, not that you think it's inaccurate in any way.

All I said was that I'd rather someone take a legit swipe at me (in the midst of a generally positive comment) than have someone "defend" me by encouraging others to have empathy for me "looking weird", because that implies that not only do you agree with the criticism but you think I'm too weak-willed or incapable of handling it. You can backtrack and make this a semantic argument if you want. Your words are quite clear in your original post, but feel free to deflect. Or you can lecture me via PM instead of continuing to bring nothing to the discussion of what was a really great lecture.
______

On a completely different note. My friend found the gimmick for the autobend silverware in a silver/grey color. This allows you to dangle the spoon on your finger pretty freely (keeping it in motion) before it breaks. It looks really good.
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Joe,
You still don't know what empathy is obviously.
I used empathy relating to his post about Devin's hair and wardrobe. Anyone can say cruel things that are not true. I know you two are little buddies and you will defend what he said to the end. Magicsquare made cruel and rude comments but you try to say it was me that made them. Typical. It's obvious to all Joe, whatever Magicsquare writes you will defend. I made no comments about Devin except to say he was brilliant.
James



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On 2013-08-11 06:01, Xiqual wrote:
You are confusing "empathy" with "sympathy" Joe. Sympathy is feeling sorry for someone, empathy is feeling another person's feelings as if they were your own.
I'm certain you still don't understand.
James



Xiqual, YOU used the word empathy. Not me. I'm quite well aware of what it means. I've only quoted your own usage of it.

I'm going to give you a tip. If someone says, "Your wife looks fat in those jeans." Your response should be, "What? You're insane! She looks amazing!" Your response should NOT be, "Hey... everybody looks fat in jeans. You need to have empathy for her." Because that suggests you agree with the criticism, not that you think it's inaccurate in any way.

All I said was that I'd rather someone take a legit swipe at me (in the midst of a generally positive comment) than have someone "defend" me by encouraging others to have empathy for me "looking weird", because that implies that not only do you agree with the criticism but you think I'm too weak-willed or incapable of handling it. You can backtrack and make this a semantic argument if you want. Your words are quite clear in your original post, but feel free to deflect. Or you can lecture me via PM instead of continuing to bring nothing to the discussion of what was a really great lecture.
______

On a completely different note. My friend found the gimmick for the autobend silverware in a silver/grey color. This allows you to dangle the spoon on your finger pretty freely (keeping it in motion) before it breaks. It looks really good.
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Went to the printers today to make up the ultimate baby gag. I can't wait to use it!
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I was the person that gave Devin the idea for "Deal or no deal" I called it "Beat the box" If you really take a picture of the inside box with a folded card it makes a great impact on the audience. Devin really took the idea to a new level by adding the premonition deck an the mirror stack. Shows what a genius Devin is. I was just using a mene tekel and having them call a card, then cutting the double to the top, placing it on the table, then mercury fold the card and slip it in the box. I also really love all the tips for "Chess gambit". Just totally baffling.
James
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I must admit I felt rather uncomfortable during the whole baby gag business. It was as if I was watching some routine from the 70's, before simplistic racial stereotyping became "verboten"! It could be a UK/US thing I guess.
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On 2013-08-12 21:26, Xiqual wrote:
I was the person that gave Devin the idea for "Deal or no deal" I called it "Beat the box" If you really take a picture of the inside box with a folded card it makes a great impact on the audience. Devin really took the idea to a new level by adding the premonition deck an the mirror stack. Shows what a genius Devin is. I was just using a mene tekel and having them call a card, then cutting the double to the top, placing it on the table, then mercury fold the card and slip it in the box. I also really love all the tips for "Chess gambit". Just totally baffling.
James


James,

As this is an open forum, do you think you have maybe shared a little too much info?

Martin
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I must admit I felt rather uncomfortable during the whole baby gag business. It was as if I was watching some routine from the 70's, before simplistic racial stereotyping became "verboten"! It could be a UK/US thing I guess.


Yea I'm in the us and I thought it was funny and didn't find it offensive at all
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I must admit I felt rather uncomfortable during the whole baby gag business. It was as if I was watching some routine from the 70's, before simplistic racial stereotyping became "verboten"! It could be a UK/US thing I guess.


Yea I'm in the us and I thought it was funny and didn't find it offensive at all


I only found it offensive in that it was so hackneyed. I actually found his explanation more offensive than the routine. The idea that all babies other than black or white look the same. Really? Indian, Native American, Asian, Hispanic, all can be identified with the same picture? Not quite.

And if you're going to control the selection in the manner he does, I can't imagine why you wouldn't at least punch it up with some jokes from this century.

But that was really just one minor low point of an otherwise excellent lecture.
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On 2013-08-12 21:27, Martin Pulman wrote:
I must admit I felt rather uncomfortable during the whole baby gag business. It was as if I was watching some routine from the 70's, before simplistic racial stereotyping became "verboten"! It could be a UK/US thing I guess.


Yea I'm in the us and I thought it was funny and didn't find it offensive at all


I only found it offensive in that it was so hackneyed. I actually found his explanation more offensive than the routine. The idea that all babies other than black or white look the same. Really? Indian, Native American, Asian, Hispanic, all can be identified with the same picture? Not quite.

And if you're going to control the selection in the manner he does, I can't imagine why you wouldn't at least punch it up with some jokes from this century.

But that was really just one minor low point of an otherwise excellent lecture.


I will admit that I felt slightly uncomfortable during the explanation, but the routine itself is perfectly fine. I've always been a fan of the gag and I will be using it Saturday as an opener (I will be pre showing though for a super clean, no procedure presentation)
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In regards to the baby gag, I use it in conjunction with Shawn's T2P,

And it is a picture of a Caucasian baby,

the spectator names lets say ,Denzel Washington ,

And I say

"Amazingly, I have a picture of him in my wallet,

of course its of him when he was a baby,
and white,
I'm sorry I meant no offence, I'm cheap and I only have the one photo"

I feel this phrasing works for any ethnicity ,

I do feel if you had a picture of a African American baby, and they named lets say Mel Gibson,

that I would take my wallet, burn it and become a waiter.
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Great idea to use it with T2P.

Just wanted to mention that I used Autobend silverware at a strolling gig last weekend and the reactions were PHENOMINAL.
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There is a copy of Devin's "Twin Identity" up for sale right now on The Café for only $18.99 shipped. That is less than half of the normal price. Never used; not even opened!

With all of the excellent reviews of Devin's lecture now in, somebody should snatch that up now!

He will not always be selling these- it is a LIMITED RELEASE, guys!

Get it while you can, or you might be crying about it later!

If only I had no hungry mouths to feed at home..........

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I've already purchased several of Devin's products that he's including as free PDF's with this lecture, and I still found this lecture an unbelievable bargin. So much great info. Well done Mr. Knight! And Dan Harlan was, as always, a terrific host.
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Indeed. Dan was a gracious and extremely knowledgable foil for Devin. Top marks all round.
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Clearly many of you here were VERY satisfied with Devin's lecture. I'm glad.

I still stand firm with my original comments about the lecture I attended a year ago. That one was not so hot. And it was not just the opinion of Bats. As I stated before, those that I asked were not satisfied. Maybe it was the 5 or 6 hours of car travel, and knowing that he had another 6 hour trip back the same night. But you have to perform consistently well no matter what your adversities are.

I see that in the 10 days since the lecture that it has consistently appeared as Number 2 or Number 3 on Penguin's "Top 10" list. WOW is all that I can say!

Despite what I stated 2 weeks ago, every time I read a good review from you guys, I try to convince myself to purchase the lecture. But I'm swamped with bills that need to be paid right now.

I typed the following statement out, then I deleted it because I did not want to stir up a hot pot, but what the heck- I'll type it out again and then hit "Submit" before I change my mind again:

And I'm also trying to figure out if all of you are on the up-and-up. Common knowledge on The Café seems to be that many posters here are name magicians under an alias and others who are interested in generating sales (That couldn't POSSIBLY be, could it? NO WAY!!!), and are deliberately posting good things here to boost sales. I won't state what my opinion of that is.

But I keep thinking about buying the lecture for real.

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Haha well 30 years ago I was a name magician and even lectured myself (coin magic was my area) but these days only a few remember my name and I post under the same name that I have always been known as in magic, it's a stage name so technically an alias but it's the name I have always been known as in magic circles (excuse the pun).

I certainly would not consider myself a fan of Devins particularly and certainly have no interest in generating sales. Looking at the list of effects for the lecture the only one that really interested me was predictionary. However I did the 5 for $99 thing to get Ran Pinks Trex and so one of my 5 was Devins lecture. I really enjoyed the lecture and thought that Devin came accross as enthusiastic and entertaining and I definitely feel I got my money's worth out of the lecture. I will certainly use more from this lecture than I expected.

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Well, I did not have anyone in particular in mind when I made that post, Mark, but you are NOT one of those that I would accuse of that when I said that.

Unless you are also posting under another name.....

Anyone here could theoretically be posting under any number of names. I myself only have one and have never had another (although I'm considering just calling myself "Bats" here instead of BatsMagic"), and I have no products to push or friends products to push.

I do remember, about a year ago, that there was a creator here that first posted under his own name about one of his products, then he also posted positive things about his product using two more names that he joined The Café under. It was pretty much proven (to my satisfaction, anyway) by tracing his URL (or whatever it is) back to the same computer. I myself do not know how to do this. But I would if I could!

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