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I have purchased a lot of Devin's effects over the years and have been impressed with his thinking and detail on almost everything. And I don't blame Devin at all for leaving this forum as it reminds me most of the time of junior high school with all the snarky negative comments by wannabes.

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I mean people that have an agenda with Devin and make comments that are not constructive. If you are not one of those people then I was not referring to you.
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On 2013-08-02 21:24, Mindpro wrote:
Why is it when members come on here and speak of their personal experiences that makes them naysayers?
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On 2013-08-03 21:55, carmean wrote:
I have purchased a lot of Devin's effects over the years and have been impressed with his thinking and detail on almost everything. And I don't blame Devin at all for leaving this forum as it reminds me most of the time of junior high school with all the snarky negative comments by wannabes.

Kevin


Although I don't know the exact circumstances, I disagree with your comment as Devin's leaving was (I think) less about "snarky" JH comments as legitimate gripes by customers.

In any event, people make their own beds.

The Café is like real life - good, bad and ugly... pick your poison. As a creator if you can't handle the fire, blah blah blah.

I personally find a lot of good on here, and creators like Jamie Grant, Peter Nardi and many others have learned how to chart the waters here quite adeptly without losing their cool.

In the end, Devin hurts himself more by leaving than the reverse imo.
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On 2013-08-03 22:04, Xiqual wrote:
I mean people that have an agenda with Devin and make comments that are not constructive. If you are not one of those people then I was not referring to you.
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On 2013-08-02 21:24, Mindpro wrote:
Why is it when members come on here and speak of their personal experiences that makes them naysayers?



James/Xiqual is a great example of an longtime Café user who is extremely helpful with ideas and opinions (strong at times), but also stands up for what is right.
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I find it interesting that people Usually expect magic creators to be good performers. Not all song writers can perform. Most playwrights aren't actors. There are plenty of magic creators that don't really perform.

Now, I haven't seen Devin perform so I can't speak to that but sometimes you have to see the potential in an effect despite the perormance.

As for people leaving the Café,I dot blame anyone for that. I've almost left myself a couple of times. This place can be infuriating. Smile
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Also true in martial arts. Usually the best coaches are just mediocre fighters or not even fighters at all.
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I find it interesting that people Usually expect magic creators to be good performers. Not all song writers can perform. Most playwrights aren't actors. There are plenty of magic creators that don't really perform.

Now, I haven't seen Devin perform so I can't speak to that but sometimes you have to see the potential in an effect despite the perormance.

As for people leaving the Café,I dot blame anyone for that. I've almost left myself a couple of times. This place can be infuriating. Smile
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Now that I didn't know! Interesting...
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Must admit I'm quite surprised that so many people require a lecturer to be a dynamic performer as well as a great inventor and creator of magic. I think it's a big mistake to pass a lecture by because the lecturer is boring... you may just miss out on some of the cleverest ideas if you do.

However, I can also appreciate that the very best lectures to watch involve great personalities since the performance really sells the effect - and the explanation can be quite a painful process sometimes.

I'll be honest, I find almost all explanations incredibly painful; what could often be explained in just a few minutes sometimes takes 15-20 minutes because everything is described so explicitly. On the other hand, some discussion about the psychology of an effect or about why a certain route was taken in developing the method is really valuable but often overlooked.

Anyway, I'll be picking up Devin's lecture because I have a good feeling about it; he has a very creative mind and that's what I'm most interested in.

Hey, aren't these Penguin lectures fantastic btw - costing me a fortune but SO good!

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I think the concern is based on the fact that these lectures are long and even the most dynamic personalities have trouble holding everyone, including themselves. Then you combine this with his latest info-product releases which many have purchased and stated in other threads the content is questionable at best or dissatisfactory.

I thought his reputation was as an effect creator, but others have added his performances, lecture and info products. When you are multi-faceted, you open yourself up to critique on multiple levels. I think it will be interesting to see how many attend or purchase the lecture and if the feedback is any different that his other recent lecture reviews. He needs, energy, personality and strong content to blow them away (if not should one really be lecturing?)

I also question his choice of content. For a lecture of this magnitude I would think he'd be including his best and most reputable releases and material.
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It's been nearly 3.5 hours and we're moving to the Q&A section. I didn't really know Devin's work well at all, but I have to say I'm impressed. There's been a wealth of very good, creative and workable magic of all kinds. I'm definitely looking forward to watching the lecture again (and going through all the PDFs Devin is giving away along with the lecture). Oh, and I think he's been a fine performer and lecturer. No complaints. Smile
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So glad I ordered this! Have seen it but glad to hear about the free PDFs...will that be in our penguin inventory?
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So glad I ordered this! Have seen it but glad to hear about the free PDFs...will that be in our penguin inventory?


I believe so--all that extra stuff should be in the "My Penguin Magic" section under Devin's lecture download.
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The lecture had a lot, A LOT, of good material in it. I had to break away a couple of times, so I'll look forward to reviewing the video to see what I missed.

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I had to work tonight and only saw two effects and part of another. I thought all were pretty good. Can I use them all in a show? Not really, but I could if I wanted to or needed to. I have an All Access Pass from Penguin, and have found it to be a great deal. There have been times I purchased two lectures in a month, which cost me more than a pass. So, it is a great deal.

I know Devin took some heat for his SEO book, but I just picked up his $1,000 a day book and found it to be quite interesting and something I can do. I will try it out soon.

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I really enjoyed Devon's lecture.

Very friendly and knowledgeable.

Devon demoed a lot of his top products and them gave them away in the form of PDFs. Great value.I got far too much for what I paid.I will have to buy something off him to even things up.

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I have been watching Penguin lectures for a few months, but this is my first time posting on the Café. Based on some peoples comments before the lecture, I wasn't sure what to think. I just watched this lecture and I have to say, WOW. Devin really surprised me. He really packed this full of GREAT material, and I can't believe how many extra downloads Devin included lecture (worth hundreds of dollars). This has to be one of the my favorite Penguin lectures. My favorite was the chess mentalism effect, I will definitely be using this in my show.
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Great job Devin! I am glad your lecture went well. Seems all who saw it were very pleased. Interesting.... If you just sit here for a moment.... you can hear the crickets in the background from where the naysayers once were! Love it!

Devin has a very creative mind and majority of his effects reflect that.


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Glad it went well and those attending enjoyed it. That still doesn't change the experience and opinions others have or have previously experienced. No crickets here, so stop trying to stir something up that doesn't exist.

No one's ever doubted his "creative mind". While a few state they were disappointed with his creations, most expressed experiences pertaining to other aspects. If your experience is different, great, but there's no need to put down others who have had different experiences and opinions.
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Glad it went well and those attending enjoyed it. That still doesn't change the experience and opinions others have or have previously experienced. No crickets here, so stop trying to stir something up that doesn't exist.

No one's ever doubted his "creative mind". While a few state they were disappointed with his creations, most expressed experiences pertaining to other aspects. If your experience is different, great, but there's no need to put down others who have had different experiences and opinions.


Funny how when the shoe is on the other foot at the café- people get so defensive. Not putting anybody down- nothing I said was derogatory or mean. You guys came out firing against Devin. It would be one thing to state your peace then move on- but that doesn't happen here. No wonder people end up leaving this place.
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No one "came out firing" against him or anyone. You don't seem to be understanding this. Several came on here explainig of their personal experience. This is their reality. They were simply stating and offering their experiences and opinions. They should be chastised for thir or deemed "naysayers". Same for it you enjoyed it, great for you, no one is putting you down for it.
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