On 2013-08-03 07:25, funsway wrote:
It is fairly simple to create a condition or demonstration in which another person will be convinced they can or did "read your mind." I have done this thousands of times with 100% success. The problem is that you wish to do this "for entertainment." More exactly, you wish other people to be convinced that a seemingly random spectator read your mind in a controlled fashion -- and sustain that belief over time. These two objectives are in conflict.

For me, the very use of the term "instant stooge" indicates why this approach does not work for you. The only way to achieve either objective (they read your mind vs. entertaining others) is grounding in respect and trust -- at least the perceptions of these qualities.


The focus must be on how to create a situation in which the person who reads your mind will never reveal method or does not consciously know the method, or that there is no "method/secret" to reveal. You apparent belief that "I can't see the secret lasting more than a few minutes" means that you can never create the situation in which this is not true. When you "know" that you can select a Volunteer Assistant who will both read your mind and never reveal any "private insight" then you can do that also.


I doubt that you will believe this -- which is the point. You must get beyond believing into knowing. If you get beyond the "playing around" stage drop me a PM.

On 2013-08-03 08:34, funsway wrote:
Because I am trying to help you in a search for an effect that might work for you. Though you may not believe me, nor choose to find value in what I offer, my experience is that your attitude towards the type of effect you are attempting can bias its success.

Now we have the evidence that even though you noticed that your message was in caps you chose not to rewrite it -- meaning that your leaving it as "shouting" was intentional. This would seem to indicate that you are indeed just "playing around" and will never find what you seek. i.e. you can only learn that for which your experience has prepared you.

No, you did not make clear that having one spectator read the mind of another was the only scenario you were considering. Additionally, your statement of, A MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE READS ANOTHER PERSONS MIND WITHOUT KNOWING THE METHOD, ERGO NO USE OF INSTANT STOOGING OR OVERT DR." means that your mind is closed to many possible solutions.

Is it possible you are not looking for a solution at all, but an external excuse for your inability to perform such an effect? Is it possible you do not yet have the life experience of direct human interaction to make this work?

I will restate my experienced opinion that the desire to "get many bookings" may preclude doing this kind of effect. You may be wonderful in other types of effects. Find what works for you and follow ... no need to try and fit a square peg in a round hole.

Yet, I can appreciate that you are drawn for some reason to this possible demonstration. In this you may wish to explore what is required to make of yourself the person who can do this effectively. In this I could be of assistance. I can think of many ways in which I could do this effect. This does not mean that I can teach you how to do it. Convince me that I should care.

On 2013-08-03 09:43, IAIN wrote:
Well, that went well...

On 2013-08-03 10:35, backinblack wrote:
Well, under the circumstances you wrote duninger ploy wouldn´t work neither.. also not with guy 1 and 2.. think about the situation at a table (and as the guys should know each other as the one knows something about the other - I guess they would sit together at the table):

2: "how could he know my name?"

1: "well I told him - he asked for"

so 1 method I would point to: psy force..

On 2013-08-03 11:17, WitchesHat wrote:
Not much can be said on this part of the forum because people get nervous about exposure. What you've been looking for is similar to what I've been looking for, and like you I haven't found an entirely satisfactory solution.

Here are some ideas, or seeds of a routine. It's the best I can offer.

Tossed out deck, plus 'Automatic writing', the participant writes things down without looking at the paper or being aware of what they're writing. The advantage to this is that you're in control of all parts, the deck can be anything, normal, tarot, a selection of photos etc, and the overall effect will work. The disadvantage is no conscious decision is made by either spectator. Also if your worried about everyone in the audience talking, the T.O.D. can fall apart.

T.O.D. plus psychological force, you have five spectators look at a card from the deck, and have a participant name five cards, with the right priming chances are they'll name the one card you want. So the advantage is that the participant actually makes a conscious decision, the disadvantage is no psyche force is 100% and once again the T.O.D could be a problem.

psych force plus psych force, advantages and disadvantages are obvious. limited selection but completely clean, chances of working perfectly depend on how good you are at controlling responses, personally I suck at it. Either way you'll need an 'out' or at least a stronger effect afterwards.

P.K touch, this can easily be done as mind reading, go through the spiel and do some mental ritual, the two people are in sync, talk about a twin who's felt what the other is experiencing, talk about leaving the body and entering someone else's, talk about how to begin mind reading we start with physical sensations, and how the mind controls what we actually feel etc etc.

Book test plus magic colouring book / padgali. You put one spectator into a 'trance', you have two books, both the same. Person from the audience choses a page of a book and reads the first sentence / word in their head. Person two opens their book to the same page, tell them you're asking them to just read out the word / sentence the spectator chose. You then ask the spectator was that correct, he says yes, so far no ones impressed, you've just had two people read the same part of the same book. Except you then reveal the book the person on stage is holding is completely blank, you flip through to show everyone.

This can also work as a book of pictures, a photo album etc.

That's all I can really share, hope you found it at least somewhat helpful.

On 2013-08-03 11:17, ed wood wrote:

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On 2013-08-03 10:35, backinblack wrote:

2: "how could he know my name?"

1: "well I told him - he asked for"

My thinking regarding dunninger ploy was that it wouldn't matter if this was discussed, I see this as suitably subtle DR, to the extent that it wouldn't be worthy of discussing. (...) Making it necessary to force said piece of information on audience member 2. (...)

As a brief aside I feel I should talk a little more about my distrust of DR. (...)

On 2013-08-03 15:19, magic123 wrote:
Learn your History ,But in a word.

PUNX

m123

On 2013-08-03 15:55, mastermindreader wrote:
Ed-

Have you considered having participants gaze into a crystal or other scrying-type object (ring, inkblot, hypno-spiral, watch crystal, etc.) as a means of "focusing" their thoughts?

I can't get into methods here, but I'm sure you know what I'm getting at. If an audience member later says to a friend, "Well I SAW it in the crystal," nothing would be exposed.

Sorry for the reception you got here.

Good thoughts,

Bob