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Dan McLean
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I just can't locate what I'm sure is a classic effect.

It begins as a classic cut and restored rope effect but the spectator just can't seem to get the two ropes the same length no matter how many times the ends are cut.

Name and sources would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

D
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I'm no rope expert, but rather than a trick on its own I've seen several performers do the 'constantly uneven' bit as part of their C&R. It may be more of an added comedy sequence than a trick.
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The series of moves that you refer to are old George Sands moves, but since George's time every other rope magician in the world including myself use them too.
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Dan,

It's The Short and Long Rope Mystery by Harold Sterling. Supreme used to sell the routine ( I have it!) and so, probably, did Abbotts.

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You are exactly right, Allan. That's the one.

And plink, you're right also.

I've seen this routine scores of times and have never been able to track it down.

Much thanks to all,

D
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It's on page 136 of Abbott's Encyclopedia of Rope Tricks For Magicians.

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It was, indeed, Murf! I think Abbotts and Supreme had some sort of reciprocal arrangement whereby each could produce and sell the other's effects. By the way, I just noticed that the envelope containing the Supreme manuscript misspells Sterling as "Stirling". According to Bart Whaley's "Who's Who in Magic", Harold Sterling was the stage name of Harold E. Fackler, who also went by the pen name "Thelmo".

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Yes, Harold Sterling originated the SHORT AND LONG ROUTINE.

IT IS NOT (REPEAT: N O T a cut and restored routine, The restoration is almost INCIDENTAL.

It's a "frustration" concept. Far too many magicians misunderstand Harold's premise.

Most magicians don't even know how to set up for the cut. Edward Victor (whose method most magicians use for the c/r) did not understand the fine points of the technical moves.
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Hey Dick,

I don't suppose this routine is on video any where? I haven't seen it performed of late. And I don't think Daryl included it in his Rope dvds. Odd.

Thanks,

D
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Hi Dan...I don't recall seeing anyone doing it on a video or DVD, etc.

Abbotts still sells the printed routine.

I use the bit occasionally, as it's a grabbit and doit thing. It's especially good for 'al fresco' jobs!

I expect that Daryl didn't do it in his DVDs since it's an intellectual property bit.

To AllenK...You are correct...Recil Bordner and Supreme had an arrangement like you describe.

To plink...S&L was a FEATURE in Harold's program. He knew how "wring out" every "drop" of entertainment from the simplest of props!
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I think the very best use of the short/long principle was used by the late Bruce Cervon in his brilliant cut and restored rope routine.

It is available here:

http://www.llpub.com/zenshop/index.php?m......_id=2324

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Doesn't help with the OP's search for a name, but is this the bit you are asking about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49JAgxI4p5s
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Indeed Motley, that's exactly what I was looking for!

And Andre, thanks for the source. Leave it to Cervon to know a good effect.

And Dick, I see your point. This "frustration" effect reminds me of The Fabulous Jumping Card Trick and The Worlds Fastest Card Trick. Good solid premise.

Again, thanks to all.

D
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Visit Dick Stoner's web site, I believe I put the video on there.

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