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"And yet somehow I'm sure there are many people who are very successful in their chosen fields regardless of whether you or numerous others who share your views take them seriously it not.
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Why do you always speak in generalizations?
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OK; how does that comment show my lack of understanding of the medium?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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Are you saying you do understand the medium?
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My favorite burger place in town is still cash-only, but they have a face-thingie.
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On 2013-08-06 14:24, Slide wrote:
"And yet somehow I'm sure there are many people who are very successful in their chosen fields regardless of whether you or numerous others who share your views take them seriously it not.
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Why do you always speak in generalizations?


In this case, I don't think it's appropriate to drag specific people into the discussion unwittingly, simply to support my point. Moreover, I was responding to a post in which you spoke in generalizations.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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Let me do the best I can to explain this too you in a short period of time.

With Facebook, you have complete control over what people see and what people don't see. You can organize those people by groups: your fans, your peers, your friends, or the general public at large. If you don't want anyone to see that you "liked" a page, they don't see it. No one can post anything on your page that you don't want them to see and you can set your permissions on any post to be viewed by only the public you want.

But for everyone who "likes" your page, you not only get to stay in front of them, if they like any of your posts (like the Youtube video you put up of you doing your amazing tricks) than that video is now exposed to EVERYONE who is linked to that person.

Let's say you have 2 followers but each of those followers has 100 followers.

These two followers like your youtube video posting. It is now exposed to all of their followers (2 people become 200 people) and each of their followers can like it as well and now, because of your two followers, perhaps 100,000 people get to see your video.

That is how it works.
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On 2013-08-06 14:26, Slide wrote:
Are you saying you do understand the medium?


I'm picking your brain, by request. In your response to Danny, you said that a like exchange gets your business in front of people who might otherwise not see it, and moreover, predisposes them to liking it. So, if I have some credibility established with fans, and they go see another magician's show because of something I did, and that show sucks, why am I "ignorant" to be concerned about that, and limit my likes to people I'd personally vouch for? Please answer without generalities.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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And I don't know ANY performer that doesn't like to have more people watching them.
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"why am I "ignorant" to be concerned about that, and limit my likes to people I'd personally vouch for? "

see my answer above.
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One top of this, you can "promote" your video. I do it all the time. It is dirt cheap: you set a budget, and you specify the kinds of people you want to see it: I only want this post to be seen by people in Pittsburgh who like magic. You then pay a small sum for everyone who "clicks" on the link but it is exposed to people whether they liked your page or not. You can target your exact audience and specify how much you are willing to pay to have people click through. All through Facebook. It is an affiliate marketing strategy.
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On 2013-08-06 11:13, Slide wrote:

Why would I care.



That's what I can't figure out. But clearly you do care, alot.
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Now you can say, I don't need any more business. I have a fat retirement fund, and I'll never face any competition from some young guy who DOES understand social media.

You can say that.

And you can also say that print newspaper publishing is the wave of the future.

You can say all these things and people have.

$250M for the Washington Post. 'nuff said.
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That's what I can't figure out. But clearly you do care, alot.
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oh, you are mistaking me giving a crap about Danny and my need to teach people. I've been an evangelist for the internet marketing industry most of my career. This is what I do, and I do take it very seriously and love talking about this stuff.
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And I agree I'm not the most tactful person.

I only hope your job is as fun as mine.
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Don't worry though, I'll be gone soon enough. I'm only wasting time here today because I just finished building a new website from scratch using the new Joomla 3 CMS system. It required me not only learning a new development environment but I had to take a crash course in advanced CSS3.

So I needed a break, and decided to waste some time here.

Some of you guys really like to argue just for the sake of arguing, though. I'm have no doubt if Warren Buffet came on here to give you financial advice, you'd argue with him.

It would have been great if someone had actually asked me a question that could have helped them. A waste actually.
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On 2013-08-06 15:07, Slide wrote:

It would have been great if someone had actually asked me a question that could have helped them. A waste actually.


Maybe someday when someone starts a thread actually soliciting advice your wisdom well be better received. Nothing personal Slide, you are hardly alone in wasting way too much time (which I personally consider precious) around here. That's just my opinion of course. Everyone has their own ways of entertaining themselves. It's all good.
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Ol zlide suffdrs from a few things. First of all the unsolicited advice is worth every penny paid for it. Each post shows his comete ignorance of my circumstances.

Now here is your biggest problem. As a self proclaimed evangelist for this two things leap to mind. First of all when the only tool you hab e is a hammer....every problem looks like a nail. Second of all I trust people who seek the tduth. I am doubtful of those who claim to have found it.

Sorry man but if you wished to learn about the specifics of what I do and how it would be clear to you how badly you have miscalculated. Not your fault. Just you being too excited to teach and not enough to listen.
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On 2013-08-06 15:07, Slide wrote:
Don't worry though, I'll be gone soon enough.


Seems like we've heard that before yet here you are.
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Slide relax man! You can't convince the world of your opinions so don't waste valuable emotional energy on trying to do so. Also, I am sure Danny runs a successful business, even if he doesn't use social media marketing. The most important aspect to any marketing is the quality of your show and not social media. Social media is a good tool though and I like to use it.
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