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Aces, I guess that then they won't be able to send any unmarried Catholics then either.
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Glenn I know you are trying to be amusing but we have already in just a few decades littered the crap out of our own orbit.

So much so that there is an entire department dedicated to watching debris. So much so that when we do launches we need to pay attention so there is no accident.

It is pretty sickening what we can do when we just don't care.
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I can understand why so many folks want to do this - you're guaranteed to get your name in the history books and all - but unless there's some major scientific breakthrough that can only be done by a human, why not just keep sending robots? If you're going to die on a mission like this, it would be nice to know that you contributed something beyond photo ops.
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Aces, I guess that then they won't be able to send any unmarried Catholics then either.


Your point? Smile
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Whatever your point was. Take a look at your previous posts.
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On 2013-08-17 07:58, GlenD wrote:
We should stop all space travel immediately! We have already almost destroyed Earth, the ice caps on Mars are now in process of melting, doesn't that tell us something? We need to just STOP already before our carbon emmissions destroy the entire universe!
And, no I wouldn't sign up for this trip.

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That's exactly why we should seriously consider moving to another planet some day. The Earth may not always be habitable. If we ever experience a runaway greenhouse effect (like Venus) we're in deep trouble. Plus there are other scenarios which may demand moving our species to a different world (impending asteroid impacts, global nuclear war, etc.). And even if none of that happens, we still have an unavoidable eviction notice in 4-5 billion years when the Sun starts to enter it's red giant phase and make life here impossible. This final scenario with the Sun is INEVITABLE. We might as well take our first baby steps in populating another world now.

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I can understand why so many folks want to do this - you're guaranteed to get your name in the history books and all - but unless there's some major scientific breakthrough that can only be done by a human, why not just keep sending robots? If you're going to die on a mission like this, it would be nice to know that you contributed something beyond photo ops.


For the same reason people still climb mountains or go to deepest trenches of Pacific Ocean or pwrform cups and balls in front of a crowd. Robots can do these things bur People want to go for themselves.
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For the same reason people still climb mountains or go to deepest trenches of Pacific Ocean or pwrform cups and balls in front of a crowd. Robots can do these things bur People want to go for themselves.


Robots can do cups and balls? Cool. You're right though - people just want to "be there," regardless of whether they are actually contributing something that can't be done just as well - or better - by a robot.
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And even if none of that happens, we still have an unavoidable eviction notice in 4-5 billion years when the Sun starts to enter it's red giant phase and make life here impossible. This final scenario with the Sun is INEVITABLE. We might as well take our first baby steps in populating another world now.

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You really think we have any shot at surviving as a species for 4-5 billion years? I'd give us about 400 years, tops, based on our current trajectory. And I don't think we'll be able to solve the technical problem of traveling to the nearest planet that will support us in that limited time frame. Which basically means that I think we're sc**wed as a species. The earth will continue on just fine, but we won't be on it.
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In the 1700's, as economics was beginning as a field of study it was noticed that human population was increasing geometrically (2x2) while food production was growing arithmetically (2+2). From this forecasts of starvation and collapse of human race. Hence ecomomics became known as "the dismal science". But advances in technology weren't foreseen. There are amazing advances happening everyday. Perhaps it's the optimist in me, but believe we'll be around for long time. On earth, on mars and other places.
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For the same reason people still climb mountains or go to deepest trenches of Pacific Ocean or pwrform cups and balls in front of a crowd. Robots can do these things bur People want to go for themselves.


Robots can do cups and balls? Cool. You're right though - people just want to "be there," regardless of whether they are actually contributing something that can't be done just as well - or better - by a robot.


I remember a Mickey Mouse robot that could do cups and balls in the magic shop at Fantasyland. But I can find footage of that. But I did find this;

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ca3_1343802259
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And even if none of that happens, we still have an unavoidable eviction notice in 4-5 billion years when the Sun starts to enter it's red giant phase and make life here impossible. This final scenario with the Sun is INEVITABLE. We might as well take our first baby steps in populating another world now.

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You really think we have any shot at surviving as a species for 4-5 billion years? I'd give us about 400 years, tops, based on our current trajectory. And I don't think we'll be able to solve the technical problem of traveling to the nearest planet that will support us in that limited time frame. Which basically means that I think we're sc**wed as a species. The earth will continue on just fine, but we won't be on it.


You could very well be right. After all, 99% of all the species that have ever inhabited Earth are extinct. There is no guarantee that humans will persist indefinitely.

However, I disagree that 400 years is not sufficient time to solve the technical problems of traveling to the nearest planet. We had no space program when Kennedy took office and within the decade we were on the Moon. Twenty years ago if you told someone you had a small handheld device that lets you take pictures and videos, access the internet, navigate, make phone calls, etc., they would have said you're crazy. Progress can come in big chunks. It just takes commitment and a concerted effort.


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