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To all those in opposition - you don't know what you're talking about. End of story, no argument.


Oh well. When faced with evidence of this strength, all my questions are answered.

Whew. I thought there may have been methodological or statistical questions unanswered. But this settles it.


If you want that then you need only look at two things; alcohol prohibition, and Portugal.


Depends on what the question is, eh?

Gupta's claim is that there is solid scientific evidence for the efficacy of the medical use of marijuana. Prohibition and Portugal are absolutely irrelevant to the discussion.
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Danny
How does it feel to be on the wrong side of history?
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On 2013-08-12 10:13, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
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On 2013-08-12 08:39, Russell Davidson wrote:
To all those in opposition - you don't know what you're talking about. End of story, no argument.


Oh well. When faced with evidence of this strength, all my questions are answered.

Whew. I thought there may have been methodological or statistical questions unanswered. But this settles it.


If you want that then you need only look at two things; alcohol prohibition, and Portugal.


Depends on what the question is, eh?

Gupta's claim is that there is solid scientific evidence for the efficacy of the medical use of marijuana. Prohibition and Portugal are absolutely irrelevant to the discussion.


Then you already know there is evidence for the medical argument. Portugal and the patently obvious failure, and murderous nature of prohibition, are entirely relevant to the larger discussion; they're also still relevant to the medical discussion as prohibition is why there is still the ongoing insanely ignorant debate on the medical issue.
In america, marijuana is still listed as more dangerous then cocaine, and as having no medical use.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Danny
How does it feel to be on the wrong side of history?


Same as he has always been. He's gonna pulling a Jenny Mcarthy and dig his heels in deeper.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

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On 2013-08-12 08:39, Russell Davidson wrote:
To all those in opposition - you don't know what you're talking about. End of story, no argument.


Oh well. When faced with evidence of this strength, all my questions are answered.

Whew. I thought there may have been methodological or statistical questions unanswered. But this settles it.


If you want that then you need only look at two things; alcohol prohibition, and Portugal.


Depends on what the question is, eh?

Gupta's claim is that there is solid scientific evidence for the efficacy of the medical use of marijuana. Prohibition and Portugal are absolutely irrelevant to the discussion.


Then you already know there is evidence for the medical argument. Portugal and the patently obvious failure, and murderous nature of prohibition, are entirely relevant to the larger discussion; they're also still relevant to the medical discussion as prohibition is why there is still the ongoing insanely ignorant debate on the medical issue.
In america, marijuana is still listed as more dangerous then cocaine, and as having no medical use.


I know that there is evidence. I am not competent to evaluate the strength of the evidence nor to comment on its clinical application. I suspect you aren't either. Out of curiosity, where is the official "more dangerous" list ?
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
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Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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I'm happy that my state legalized it for recreational use. I hope that the same happens on the Federal level soon. This is one where I support individual rights on it even if it's not for me.


Recreational use of Marijuana is NOT legal in the state of Washington. Legalization is still in the works and in my opinion it will not be legal for some decades to come (if it ever gets legal).

Recreational use of Marijuana in the state of Washington is DECRIMINALIZED as long as an adult 21 or over goes by the guidelines. As far as the Feds (DEA) are concerned, use of Marijuana in any state is ILLEGAL.
We just had 4 Medical Marijuana outlet's busted by the DEA under the pretence of completing a 2 year investigation of stepping outside the bounds of legal sales. Not sure if the DEA really had anything on these places but I find the timing questionable. We also had a couple of Medical Marijuana outlet's closed and told they were not following the law because they were within a school zone. If they were within a school zone, why did the state give them a licence. Also, when the news media went to the outlet's, they asked, where is the school? No school was anywhere near the outlet's.

I don't understand why Colorado, which is now operating "Private" clubs where Marijuana is sold and smoked is being left alone. Why dosn't the DEA bust them? These clubs are not for medical use but rather for recreational use. I don't understand the cherry picking the DEA is involved in.
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Yeah, semantics.

Enforcement probably varies by location then. Watched a guy smoke a stinky joint right next to a cop downtown over the fourth of July weekend. They were just standing there joking around. It was kind of cool to see.

That said, there was a Federal bust a few years ago of a medical marijuana dispensary that came about as close as we come in this town to getting people to riot. It was in the very lovely South Perry neighborhood near the Buddhist Temple and not a remotely seedy (no pun intended) location.
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My point, though, was that we in Washington took an important step that I hope the Fed follows so that the state rights on this
will be respected by the Federal authorities.
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Danny
How does it feel to be on the wrong side of history?


Who are we to disagree with the president?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I hope the Fed follows so that the state rights on this
will be respected by the Federal authorities.


Oh, man....good luck with that. Aside from Nanny State mentality, acknowledging ant state rights on a health issue opens the door for an abortion re-evaluation. Which us why liberal SCOTUS justices want no part of euthanasia, BTW.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I can still hope.
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Danny
How does it feel to be on the wrong side of history?


Same as he has always been. He's gonna pulling a Jenny Mcarthy and dig his heels in deeper.

What are the two of you babbling about?

What side of history am I on?

Where did I take a position on POT EVER?

I have said that there are people in the world who probably spend WAY too much time high
Probably a couple on this thread judging from some posts.
I have said it won't put the cartels out of business, and it won't. Show me economic data to the contrary.

I have said you shouldn't show up to kiddie parties after being high and juggling for them. Is THAT the wrong side of history?
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Why do most of your posts have have some sort of dramatic presidential implications to them?

Are you studying teabonics with Robert Smith?
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Is the President part of the make pot legal crowd?
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You know I think that we should hold Lobo's feet to the fire on his latest teabonics episode.
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More name calling Al?

Seriously that is all you have?
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Lobo
Why do most of your posts have have some sort of dramatic presidential implications to them?

Are you studying teabonics with Robert Smith?


I just think it's funny that you have this huge man-crush on Obama, then you call out Danny for being anti-pot.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2013-08-12 08:39, Russell Davidson wrote:
To all those in opposition - you don't know what you're talking about. End of story, no argument.


Oh well. When faced with evidence of this strength, all my questions are answered.

Whew. I thought there may have been methodological or statistical questions unanswered. But this settles it.


If you want that then you need only look at two things; alcohol prohibition, and Portugal.


Depends on what the question is, eh?

Gupta's claim is that there is solid scientific evidence for the efficacy of the medical use of marijuana. Prohibition and Portugal are absolutely irrelevant to the discussion.


Then you already know there is evidence for the medical argument. Portugal and the patently obvious failure, and murderous nature of prohibition, are entirely relevant to the larger discussion; they're also still relevant to the medical discussion as prohibition is why there is still the ongoing insanely ignorant debate on the medical issue.
In america, marijuana is still listed as more dangerous then cocaine, and as having no medical use.


I know that there is evidence. I am not competent to evaluate the strength of the evidence nor to comment on its clinical application. I suspect you aren't either. Out of curiosity, where is the official "more dangerous" list ?


"Schedule I

Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Schedule I drugs are the most dangerous drugs of all the drug schedules with potentially severe psychological or physical dependence. Some examples of Schedule I drugs are:

heroin, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), marijuana (cannabis), 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (ecstasy), methaqualone, and peyote

Schedule II

Schedule II drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with a high potential for abuse, less abuse potential than Schedule I drugs, with use potentially leading to severe psychological or physical dependence. These drugs are also considered dangerous. Some examples of Schedule II drugs are:

cocaine, methamphetamine, methadone, hydromorphone (Dilaudid), meperidine (Demerol), oxycodone (OxyContin), fentanyl, Dexedrine, Adderall, and Ritalin"

http://www.justice.gov/dea/druginfo/ds.shtml
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Don't look for consinstancy out of Al. Never going to happen.
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Lobo
You are pulling this horse by the tail, I am a big fan of the United States of America. You are the one who ties the president into every one of your posts.

As far as Danny and I are concerned we have been disagreeing with each other for years, and if he started smoking pot I would probably start dipping snuff, or doing jello shots. LOL
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Since you only read what supports your opinion you probably missed this from your link.

"Drug Schedules

Drugs, substances, and certain chemicals used to make drugs are classified into five (5) distinct categories or schedules depending upon the drug’s acceptable medical use and the drug’s abuse or dependency potential. The abuse rate is a determinate factor in the scheduling of the drug; for example, Schedule I drugs are considered the most dangerous class of drugs with a high potential for abuse and potentially severe psychological and/or physical dependence. As the drug schedule changes-- Schedule II, Schedule III, etc., so does the abuse potential-- Schedule V drugs represents the least potential for abuse."

Not saying I agree or disagree. Just saying you are disingenuous as per usual.
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