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How many of your millions do you want to risk?
Danny Doyle
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"Haven't you promised to leave us like a billion times? "

No, I promised that I don't have the time to waste here as much as you seem to so I stop by when I need some down time from a project I'm working on.

If you spent a quarter of the time you spend posting here on improving your social media presence, you'd make a lot more income and be better known than you are.
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"Why is it always the I want to smoke my pot so make it legal crowd who think their experience is universal? "

Do you think you can extrapolate the effects of one beer based on your experience?

If someone had a wildly different reaction to drinking a single beer than you do, do you think that person is mainstream and you are the odd one, or do you think that person is an anomoly.

We come to many universal conclusions about things we have had a lifetime of expeience with. are you saying that personal experience should not be taken into account? That the experiences of a lifetime are invalid? It is ridiculous and I think you probably know that. Like many people, you just love arguing to hear your own voice.
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Yea you bring up something like the social media thing and I like to argue? Not only are you absolutely wrong about that you keep bringing it up. But if you are good with looking like a fool so am I for you.

As for your own experience being a valid yardstick for life of everyone let me just say no it is not. Obviously you know little of math if you think that one persons experience invalidates the larger numbers of the world. This is why statistics and knowing how to inturpret them are relevant.

For example you prove it above. With your nonsense snipe about social media. A social media presance is all you know. You think because it is that way for you it is therefore that way for everyone in the world of business. This could not be further from the truth yet you CLING to it as it is your experience and it is all you know. But in a broader sense your one size fits all ideas do not fit all and you can't even admit that. You plunge ahead being sarcastic and mean just to do it and bully people into thinking your way is the one right and only way.

So your experience as an individual has just as much affect on the collective numbers as each individual person with the same amount of experience. It is basic math.
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http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/InTheNe......054.html

Since you wanted stats start here. I have NO idea the methedology, no idea if they have an agenda, no idea what they want to accomplish so I do not stand behind them. BUT if you want so badly to have stats it seems as if you can find them pretty easily.

Or you can keep attacking me. It is what you are good at.
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You seeem to be exptrapolating a lot from my posts. Smile
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Danny, I just think you are just a silly man who wastes his life arguing on social media sites like this one. You remind me of my ex father in law who sat around his apartment all day calling the radio talk shows.
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I couldn't stand the suspense, so I'll offer the first bit.

A 2012 meta-analysis published in the BMJ (formerly British Medical Journal) found a significantly increased risk of motor vehicle crashes when the driver is under the influence of cannabis.

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Objective To determine whether the acute consumption of cannabis (cannabinoids) by drivers increases the risk of a motor vehicle collision.

Design Systematic review of observational studies, with meta-analysis.

Data sources We did electronic searches in 19 databases, unrestricted by year or language of publication. We also did manual searches of reference lists, conducted a search for unpublished studies, and reviewed the personal libraries of the research team.

Review methods We included observational epidemiology studies of motor vehicle collisions with an appropriate control group, and selected studies that measured recent cannabis use in drivers by toxicological analysis of whole blood or self report. We excluded experimental or simulator studies. Two independent reviewers assessed risk of bias in each selected study, with consensus, using the Newcastle-Ottawa scale. Risk estimates were combined using random effects models.

Results We selected nine studies in the review and meta-analysis. Driving under the influence of cannabis was associated with a significantly increased risk of motor vehicle collisions compared with unimpaired driving (odds ratio 1.92 (95% confidence interval 1.35 to 2.73); P=0.0003); we noted heterogeneity among the individual study effects (I2=81). Collision risk estimates were higher in case-control studies (2.79 (1.23 to 6.33); P=0.01) and studies of fatal collisions (2.10 (1.31 to 3.36); P=0.002) than in culpability studies (1.65 (1.11 to 2.46); P=0.07) and studies of non-fatal collisions (1.74 (0.88 to 3.46); P=0.11).

Conclusions Acute cannabis consumption is associated with an increased risk of a motor vehicle crash, especially for fatal collisions. This information could be used as the basis for campaigns against drug impaired driving, developing regional or national policies to control acute drug use while driving, and raising public awareness.
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So you are just good with making assumptions and having NO clue what you are talking about?

At least I use my name and don't pretend to be something I am not on the web.
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But John was his personal experience factored into this?
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On 2013-08-13 12:45, Dannydoyle wrote:
But John was his personal experience factored into this?


I'm sure he is one of the government dupes in on the conspiracy to stop the freedom, love, peace and prosperity that comes with pot use.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
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"At least I use my name and don't pretend to be something I am not on the web."

How is that working for you?

I just googled your name.

I guess you know what the top couple of search results bring up.

If you gave a crap about your business or your reputation you could have fixed those things.

But you know better.
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Yep since 2007 when a troll from this very site wrote that LOL. It has absolutely KILLED my business.

But it is funny how you turn this into an attack on me, when I have taken no position on the subject LOL. You claim all I want to do is argue, yet instead of addressing anything but generalizations you extrapolate simply from your own experience you choose to attack me.
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I'm with Danny here. We both have taken no position on the efficacy of medicinal pot or on whether recreational use should be legal. We have taken a stand on BS and are in complete agreement.

John
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"Yep since 2007 when a troll from this very site wrote that LOL. It has absolutely KILLED my business. "

It didn't have to. Which is my point. There are techniques to eliminate this stuff. you just have to want to learn about it.

The fact that it is still two of the top 3 posts since 2007 is ridiculous. A good SEO person could have gotten rid of this in days.
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On 2013-08-13 11:34, Slide wrote:
"As you can tell from some of the responses to your post, the Internet killed irony (long ago). "

What was the ironic part?


I suspect the whole post other than the part about having to watch the movies in school and the military.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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It's like telling Jay Leno how to be a successful comedian when he didn't ask for the advice. Uh oh, some bitter fool wrote a negative review about Leno on a website. If NBC knew what they were doing they could have had that removed overnight.

Jay Leno didn't ask for any advice; he doesn't need it.
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On 2013-08-13 12:43, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
I couldn't stand the suspense, so I'll offer the first bit.

A 2012 meta-analysis published in the BMJ (formerly British Medical Journal) found a significantly increased risk of motor vehicle crashes when the driver is under the influence of cannabis.

Quote:
Abstract
Objective To determine whether the acute consumption of cannabis (cannabinoids) by drivers increases the risk of a motor vehicle collision.

Design Systematic review of observational studies, with meta-analysis.

Data sources We did electronic searches in 19 databases, unrestricted by year or language of publication. We also did manual searches of reference lists, conducted a search for unpublished studies, and reviewed the personal libraries of the research team.

Review methods We included observational epidemiology studies of motor vehicle collisions with an appropriate control group, and selected studies that measured recent cannabis use in drivers by toxicological analysis of whole blood or self report. We excluded experimental or simulator studies. Two independent reviewers assessed risk of bias in each selected study, with consensus, using the Newcastle-Ottawa scale. Risk estimates were combined using random effects models.

Results We selected nine studies in the review and meta-analysis. Driving under the influence of cannabis was associated with a significantly increased risk of motor vehicle collisions compared with unimpaired driving (odds ratio 1.92 (95% confidence interval 1.35 to 2.73); P=0.0003); we noted heterogeneity among the individual study effects (I2=81). Collision risk estimates were higher in case-control studies (2.79 (1.23 to 6.33); P=0.01) and studies of fatal collisions (2.10 (1.31 to 3.36); P=0.002) than in culpability studies (1.65 (1.11 to 2.46); P=0.07) and studies of non-fatal collisions (1.74 (0.88 to 3.46); P=0.11).

Conclusions Acute cannabis consumption is associated with an increased risk of a motor vehicle crash, especially for fatal collisions. This information could be used as the basis for campaigns against drug impaired driving, developing regional or national policies to control acute drug use while driving, and raising public awareness.




As a former traffic school instructor, I was aware of similar studies, but honestly, isn't it hard to believe that any reasonably intelligent, unbiased, intectually honest person would think otherwise?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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"It's like telling Jay Leno how to be a successful comedian when he didn't ask for the advice. "

I don't thinks so. First Jay Leno IS successful. Danny has said that the posts that show up first in a google search paint him in a not so positive light. And it has hurt his business according to him. There is an easy solution that could have eliminated his problem.

Do you really think the two situations are similar? Smile
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The part about it KILLING his business was that irony thing again. Which is to say, the intended meaning was actually the opposite of the literal meaningn. If Bob Cassidy says Danny is a highly successful performer, that's good enough for me.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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