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On 2013-08-15 17:32, Dannydoyle wrote:
The problem is Glenn that you are comparing hard reality with a fantasy. Fantasy will always win. Reality is real though, not theoretical. That is the problem you have.


It's REALLY hard to take people seriously when they say this when they are STILL trying to get these experiments with democracy, etc, to work.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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I imagine those experiments started when people decided that anarchy wasn't working.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2013-08-15 15:49, gdw wrote:

"Divide $1 trillion by 46 million and you get around $21,700 for each American in poverty, or nearly $87,000 for a family of four. That’s almost four times the $23,050 per year federal poverty line for that family. It’s intriguing to think about converting all of this to a cash payment that would instantly lift everyone in poverty up to the middle class."

While this may be fine in the short term, the long term prospects wouldn't look as promising. The more people we let in, the more lower class families we're going to have. Before you know it, that $1 trillion isn't going to go as far as it does in this example.


You're presuming that things will continue on the current trajectory fostered by the current system and policies regarding the poor and immigration, ignoring the fact that everything that you're saying sounds fine in the short-term are removing everything that fuels the current trajectory.
In other words, it's exactly the opposite, everything being done now sounds good in the short term, but is clearly failing, and actually perpetuating things, in the long run.
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On 2013-08-15 17:45, LobowolfXXX wrote:
I imagine those experiments started when people decided that anarchy wasn't working.


Exactly.
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That's right Glenn close your eyes don't answer the questions. It will all just happen.
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What question have I not answered, Danny?
Your implementation one? The question doesn't even make sense, and yet I STILL answered it.

How about you answer a question of mine?
I'm not trying to "trap" you here; I'm genuinely curious, you keep talking about our "responsibility" (no one had any in chosen responsibilities) to help those less fortunate, particularly as a justification for government, what about health care?

Again, totally not trying to trap you, I really want to know how that works in your mind.
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If you do not see the difference in government and society I can't help you Glenn.

Fact is that as a SOCIETY that has evolved beyond robber barrens we have a responsibility whether we sign on for it or not.

How do you think things will just get done without a collective responsibility of some sort Glenn? Your idea is a recipe for the strong to take from the weak. You NEVER address that. No anarchist ever does. But hey good on ya for being consistent.
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And what you never answer is implementation. There IS a system to transition out of so implementing a new one is necessary. Sorry.
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You guys still at it?
Write your beliefs on a piece of toilet paper and flush it. You won't sway each other.
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Now, Steve, moot is not always moot... and never mute...

Beside which, would it not be more appropriate to advise they eat their beliefs and then flush them in the morning? Just a thought...
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Aren't they already trying to force each other to eat their words?
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On 2013-08-15 19:20, Dannydoyle wrote:
If you do not see the difference in government and society I can't help you Glenn.

Fact is that as a SOCIETY that has evolved beyond robber barrens we have a responsibility whether we sign on for it or not.

How do you think things will just get done without a collective responsibility of some sort Glenn? Your idea is a recipe for the strong to take from the weak. You NEVER address that. No anarchist ever does. But hey good on ya for being consistent.


You really just don't read anything I write, do you?
I've been talking about a voluntary SOCIETY.

As for the strong taking hold, first off, what the hell do you think happens now?
The idea that "anarchy" would be nothing but "survival of the fittest" is just as misrepresentative as the ignorance of creationists attempting to contort the same in terms of evolution, and "atheists."
It's not ignored by "anarchists;" it's been addressed by almost every single prominent "anarchist" in history. There are entire books written on.
Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution, for example.

It's not the question which is getting ignored.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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On 2013-08-15 19:21, Dannydoyle wrote:
And what you never answer is implementation. There IS a system to transition out of so implementing a new one is necessary. Sorry.

Again, I DID answer this. There's no new "system" to implement.
It's the equivalent of asking how do you transplant in the new tumor after removing the old one.
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Specious, gdw, but funny...
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Besides, what's more entertaining than following economic/political discussions on a magicians forum...
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Agreed- but should not a magician be able make it all disappear??
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Man, am I padding my post count...
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On 2013-08-15 21:54, Mr. Mystoffelees wrote:
Man, am I padding my post count...


Not in this section of TMC you're not.
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Amazing how many folks don't realize that!
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about? Smile

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On 2013-08-13 10:12, gdw wrote:

You're putting us on, right?
There certainly are some industries which are much easier to enter than others, but this kind of thinking as an overall view of what it's like to be entrepreneurial in america is a joke:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillip......the-u-s/
http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking


No he's not. There are some people in this world who simply don't see the roadblocks that are obvious to the rest of us. These are the people who casually say; "Start your own business" or "Move somewhere where you can get work." when you try to explain why things are difficult for you.
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