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Kihei Regular user 137 Posts |
Does anyone use cuffing as described by Bobo?
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eddieloughran Special user 942 Posts |
When he book was first written, what we in England call turn-ups were on all trousers.
I don't think they exisit any more. I don't think anyone uses the moves now, although I suppose you could use you shoes. |
Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
I tried it, but I renamed the technique after how it worked for me, I call it "flooring".
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Back in the mid 70's I fooled myself during a program with an unplanned complete vanish.
Later I found it, you guessed it in my.... Harris
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Jason Wethington Special user Orlando, Fl 615 Posts |
I have used it a number of times in my act. I learned the technique from a magician in Cincinnati (his name escapes me now).
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
It's a bit tricky to cuff coins larger than a quarter. And yes my better pants have cuffs. Had to be restrained from going for braces and building in servantes connected to the side pockets..
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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KirkG Inner circle 1391 Posts |
I have used cuffing in the past when those pants were the style. They are coming back right now in the states. I prefer the fold method rather than the toss. It is very effective with small coins.
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cheesewrestler Inner circle Chicago 1157 Posts |
Cuffs are no rarity here, they have 'em on Dockers for example. The move, on the other hand, I've never even seen discussed outside of Bobo. I would think seated it could be useful ... standing though would, yeah, pretty much equal "flooring"
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Paul Chosse V.I.P. 1955 - 2010 2389 Posts |
No, no, "flooring" is not the required result of attempts to cuff! A careful re-reading of Bobo may be in order. The idea of canting your leg so that the pantleg hangs free from your leg is most important. The resultant "flooring" comes from the coin hitting your leg rather than free cloth, so stance is very important.
Certain gestures and body language lend themselves to this type of "dump". Think about the movements associated with using a topit and you will see what I mean. I have fooled some VERY clever and well-posted coinmen using both cuffing and sleeving. Other impromptu "holdouts" for coins include shirt pocket dumps, pant folds, and shirt cuffs. The biggest problem with cuffing is its' one-way usefulness. Retrieval is extremely difficult, if not impossible, so it is best used as a complete vanish, in conjunction with a duplicate coin used for the reproduction, if your routine calls for it. Consider borrowing a marked coin, switching in a duplicate so THAT is the coin that is vanished via cuffing, not the borrowed coin, and then reproducing the marked coin from wherever... I have some other information on this neglected technique if people really want to brainstorm it a bit. What say you all? Best, PSC
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MagicAndBlackjack Elite user 442 Posts |
Jason,
Was the magician Bill Pryor? I know there are many magicians in Cincinnati but I know him so I was just curious. |
bakerkn Regular user 121 Posts |
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On 2003-12-10 21:36, pchosse wrote: Bobby Bernard speaks of a particular magician who would cause three or four coins to vanish, one at a time. Each coin was placed in the right hand which closed into a fist and made a gentle up and down shaking motion. The coin vanished - completely. This sequence was repeated for each coin. Quote:
I have some other information on this neglected technique if people really want to brainstorm it a bit. What say you all? Yes please. |
Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
I noticed some stores (i.e. Banana Republic) carrying longish shorts that sported cuffs. Is this just for ladies?
Anyone use this, if not for an effect, for training? (training pants?)
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Jason Wethington Special user Orlando, Fl 615 Posts |
Magicandblackjack,
No it wasn't Bill (although a fine magician and good friend in his own right). I really can't remember his name. It is bugging me now, when I go home I'll have to see if I can find him. Jason |
cheesewrestler Inner circle Chicago 1157 Posts |
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On 2003-12-10 21:36, pchosse wrote: Sure! I just had another look at Bobo & see there's two methods given: the Roberts, which I looked at once & dismissed as impossible, and the Tannen, which seemed possible but limited. No mention of seated cuffing, which I would have thought could be useful. |
Darrin Cook Special user 621 Posts |
Mr Chosse,
I'd love to hear more on cuffing. The idea in Bobo's intrigued me, and I prefer cuffed pants, but I've never wrestled with it enough to get it to work. Jason, I'd also like to hear more of your technique. You mentioned you have a book coming up. A bit on cuffing would certainly be fresher than another version of 3 Fly or an ace assembly. Just an idea I kicked around. Paul mentions the "one way" aspect of cuffing. In other words the quarter disappears, and how can you get to it? He also mentioned having a duplicate coin. What if the effect is a barehanded vanish of a signed coin reappearing in a shoe, and recovered with clearly empty hands? The coin is vanished/cuffed. You show your hands are unmistakably empty. Next you pull up your pant leg (accessing the cuffed coin in the process) to get to your shoe. The signed coin is then removed from your shoe. Perhaps a duplicate coin on a thread in shoe could be used, like the card-to-box gimmick. |
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