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TheMag1cian Inner circle Ottawa, Ontario 1274 Posts |
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On 2013-09-29 04:11, reignofsound wrote: Me too. I don't have the guts for the other methods yet. The hardest part for me at the moment seems to be the load although it won't take much more time. I'm also paranoid about the top of the deck but I have to remember that spec's probably wont clue in. I just don't want to hear "hey, why is there a big cr*as* on your top card"? The snap change is a thing of beauty. I was worried about the price before I received it. Now I feel as if that was a deal. Easily my best purchase of the year alongside Nest Of Wallets. |
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Houdini 2012 New user 21 Posts |
We recommend the PH super easy no palming handling because it is just so easy but having said that.
Hey mag1- Chris Turchi here. I've used the palm away from day one, as it's my routine. Trust me when I say no matter how manny people are there, even if your surrounded If you manage your audience properly you will never get caught!! Going to the inside jacket pocket as you go for the sharpie is the safest place.... as it's close to where your holding the deck natualy. NOTE. Just when your about to pal. Away the deck I spread the cards when last time and ask if they would like to change the card? I get a break at my gimmick plus one card the close it up square it and Palm the deck right to my pocket, and come out with the sharpie in one Motion. Also for everyone who owne's it. Think of the one little bad angle you have??? If you slightly turn your hand towards your body ( bad back corner) you can use your body as cover. Just come close to your tummy as your talking if you want to drop your hand and feel safe. But I just want to say I NEVER act like I'm holding anything other them a deck of cards because that's what they already know you have so there is no heat, and in over 2 years NO ONE has ever caught the gimmick or asked to see the envelope after the change... I'd be curious to hear if any one can relate to what I'm saying??? Also if you keep one card on top of the gimmick after you palm the deck away you now can feel super comfortable when sticking in the card. This is what I do---then I say "what happens when a magician puts the card in the center of the deck"? They say what ever.... Then you turn over the top card and say.... it comes to the top? (It's not the card,) so now I toss it and say cause it's not that trick. Usually gets a laugh but now your set to go for the change and not once did you have to worry about the spectator burning you! I hope this helps you all and good luck on the streets and at your gigs Thanks Chris |
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TheMag1cian Inner circle Ottawa, Ontario 1274 Posts |
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On 2013-09-29 14:04, Houdini 2012 wrote: Excellent advice. Leaving one card on top to remain less paranoid is genious. Im sure that alone has solved many people's worries. I love the palming method and will be executing the effect in that manner when I decide its time to perform at gigs, etc. The loading of the card was also an issue for me at the beginning. Trust me when I say its second nature now. Its very hard to miss. I'm so impressed by this effect. $40.00 is a bargain. If magic and transformations were real this is what it would look like. Who ever hasn't splurged on this get on it now. You WILL use it and you WILL love it. It will NOT go in that dreaded drawer filled with magic toys you barely use. I only carry a few things in my Joshua Jay Pro carrier (only my workers) and this is one of them. |
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Xcath1 Inner circle 3052 Posts |
I agree with Chris, I don't have huge hands (normal adult hands) and the palm method is like the switch in Blizzard. There's a deck in your hand and then.. there's a deck in your hand. The mind doesn't see anything wrong. However, you can't go wrong with either method. I complained about the price initially but I use it so much it is worth it.
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carlwag Special user Huddersfield ,West yorkshire 747 Posts |
I do the Shawn Farquhar ditch when getting the pen into my left jacket pocket no problem .
Only practice was the change to get it smooth but it's not hard, loading the card I just go corner first. Love this Carl |
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PHSIS Veteran user Kailua-Kona HI 385 Posts |
Just a reminder that if anyone feels the colouring of their gimmick is really way off the mark to please send me a private message and we will make sure you are 100% taken care of
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
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On 2013-09-29 14:04, Houdini 2012 wrote: Thanks for your input Chris! In my first couple performances I didn't realize how deadly that back corner can be, you have to be very careful with it and I'm still working on it. I already do what you suggested but it's not a natural body movement for me (plus I talk with my hands a lot) so I am having to retrain my brain to be very aware of it until it becomes ingrained and second nature. Turning my body ever so slightly to the right helps also. The straight p**m off method is taking a lot of work too, not the ditching part, but getting the gimmick quickly into position and getting everything looking copacetic. While it should be easy that is turning out to be very difficult for me to get smooth, so for now I am using the PH easy method, which gets the job done very well too. I have been doing something very similar with the extra card ever since I got the trick because I tend to be overly paranoid when it comes to using gimmicks of this type. It's not a problem with the gimmick that's supplied, it's just my own mental phobia. In fact, I made a video demo a couple days ago for a couple magic buddies who live in other parts of the state describing my modified handling. I have actually started using 2 cards on top and it was easier to make a video to explain why rather than try and write something up. Maybe I will post a link to it on here but I hadn't really intended to go "public" with it and I feel like I ramble a lot on it so I may be too embarrassed, and I'm too lazy to redo it. Thanks again for putting Envylope on the market, Bill |
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Khuluma New user 87 Posts |
Houdini 2012, that is a great idea about putting an extra card on top to cover any 'abnormalities'. Well done-good thinking Sherlock!
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ncsteve Veteran user North Carolina 313 Posts |
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On 2013-09-30 05:22, Khuluma wrote: I agree that is an excellent idea. I was very disapointed with the top of the gimmick when I first saw this. |
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Xcath1 Inner circle 3052 Posts |
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Hello, I have purchased several copes of envylope for back up and as a gift. Is it possible that with the new manufacturing process and the new paper for the envelope portion that the color of the gaff has been slightly affected? The new one does look different to me. |
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PHSIS Veteran user Kailua-Kona HI 385 Posts |
Xcath1 All of the decals have come from the same source so while there might be slight variations on any given run (just like with the run of any bicycle brand deck etc.) colours should be very close. If you have any concern or feel that yours is defective please contact me and we will take care of you
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Xcath1 Inner circle 3052 Posts |
Fair enough PHSIS, appreciate the quick response
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts |
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On 2013-09-30 05:22, Khuluma wrote: Hmm this feels like the same paranoia that people have over TTs. You're the only one looking for the gimmick so you see it..the specs don't. |
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carlwag Special user Huddersfield ,West yorkshire 747 Posts |
I perform this wearing a TT to prove a point
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
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While I do believe there is definitely some truth in your statement, I also believe there is a different set of circumstances when it comes to the Envylope gimmick. The effect as demonstrated requires that the gimmick be able to withstand some fairly close scrutiny at one or more moments during the routine. Now in a perfect world every Envylope gimmick sold would be absolutely flawless, but even if that were possible it would no doubt come with a higher price tag as well. So while I am sure that the vast majority of gimmicks are as perfect as they can be, there is always going to be some variance in production so a few are simply going to be slightly less than perfect in construction or appearance. Those folks with excellent gimmicks (and again, I truly believe that that would be nearly all of them) will almost certainly have a different viewpoint about this when compared to those few whose gimmick may be more readily "apparent". Also, the trick is relatively new to market so there hasn't yet been set an acceptable "standard" in order to determine where your particular gimmick may fall in that range. So it's difficult to say if someone if just being needlessly worried when you don't know what they may actually be dealing with. BTW, for any purists who may be bothered by it, please feel to free to substitute the word gaff wherever I have written gimmick. Since it is my understanding from other threads that Envylope is technically a gaff and not a gimmick. Which is also another difference in your statement since the TT is a gimmick and not a gaff. So come to think of it, I suppose it really is an apples vs. oranges thing after all. Hmmm, I guess I should have just thought of that in the first place. |
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Saturn UK Inner circle 2658 Posts |
Blue Envylopes are on the way to the UK and should be with us on Monday.
If you are looking to order one please do so as soon as possible as we only ordered in a small supply of blue. http://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/new-magic/e......nts.html I also like the idea given here of the extra card on top, it gives that little bit extra to the routine, I'm yet to use the idea in the real world but I know it will play very well.
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Xcath1 Inner circle 3052 Posts |
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TheMag1cian Inner circle Ottawa, Ontario 1274 Posts |
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On 2013-10-02 04:18, Saturn Magic wrote: I just go in to a fake ACR routine that's gone wrong and say "What? that's not your card? Ahh well .. we've all seen that trick before anyways. Lets try something else .. then the amazing transformation occurs. |
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
My well experienced friend showed me the Envy-lope and its working. I also saw a few live street performances by my friend.
I would say that this effect is more of a One-on-One kind of an effect. During the street performance of the effect, the WOW factor was totally lacking as against seen in the performance video. For the varied age group of spectators (and in spite of performing the various variants) it was just about an OK reaction. Nothing was mind blowing for the spectators. Mind you, the younger generation is quite clever and watches the performer's moves with a hawk's eye. The spectators have questions and want to see/ inspect the envelope just before the magician can do the dirty work of sw****ing. This puts the performer in an embarrassing situation since all eyes are now glued on the hot prop, thus making any further move by the performer (to sw***h) a difficult task. IMHO, the effect is good but the prop and (to some extent) the performance method thought on the DVD somewhat lacks in creativity. My reason for saying so is based on two major drawbacks of this effect. Firstly, the way the prop has been designed and constructed; it can not be performed at close quarters. IMO, in no way the prop looks normal. And hence the need has now arisen for:- Quote:
On 2013-10-02 04:18, Saturn Magic wrote: Secondly, the need for constant and continued misdirection (for sw****ing In-n-Out the props involved) during each & every phase/ stage of the effect. Thus the magician has to (perforce) resort to too much (IMO) of movement for doing the dirty work. This is my personal but honest views on the effect as I have seen the effect performed in the real world by an experience magician. IMO, although the effect may look good in the demo vid, but it seriously lacks the punch when performing in the real world. I am sure few of those who have this effect will agree with my above views while a few might have a totally different opinion/ experience. But that's OK with me. I have said what I saw and felt about this effect. Thank you.
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Xcath1 Inner circle 3052 Posts |
Ustaad always thoughtfully speaks his mind. I have only performed this for small groups of people with very good results. I think one on one puts too much heat on the gimmick and the effect which is a small visual one may in fact get lost when performing for larger groups. I would also have to say I am not a professional and the small groups of coworkers and acquaintances (I don't perform for friends) may be favorably predisposed to my magic
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