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CarpetShark Special user 576 Posts |
From the start, I spent equal time practicing everything with both hands. You never know when you'll need to do a Flying Wombat beginning with the coin in your left palm! As I progressed past the basics, and started working on small routines and slightly more complex moves, my dominant hand sort of took over. Part of the reason is; after spending hours and hours learning with the right, I want to work on the next step in that routine and not re-learn it with my left....sort of a waste of time, no ?
Although I'd like to continue working both hands equally, for the past year or so it's not been happening. Is there any reason anyone would need to perform every move with either hand ? Does anyone, even those at the top of our game, do this ? |
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jakeg Inner circle 1741 Posts |
I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.
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jcrabtree2007 Special user 627 Posts |
Some sleights you need to do equally well with both hands. I worked hard on making my left hand classic palm as good as my right. Its actually much better. I can lay my hand flat in the classic palm. Not quite there with my right. Go figure.
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bowers Inner circle Oakboro N.C. 7024 Posts |
Im right handed and there are some things
that are just about impossible to do as well as my right hand.I wish I could though. Todd |
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
Well if you can C.P, In both hands you are ahead of 90%-95% Of the coin guys Out there!
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Trying to be ambidextrous is pretty cool I guess but not much beyond extra credit in most cases, it's not really necessary.
I've played with both hands for years, and can as a result, CP in both hands well enough I suppose (a few other moves too but rarely ever use it that way). But your dominant hand typically takes over mostly and eventually, and you fall further and further out of practice with the other hand to use it for much of any effects. But it's worth playing with it as the effort teaches some things worth being aware of, IMHO.
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NicholasD Inner circle 1458 Posts |
Not worth the effort, IMO.
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
Yea I can do A single C.P. It My outer Hand But that's about it! And yea It would be nice! But Necessary for most stuff!
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itlust Regular user 176 Posts |
I can CP in both hands ... but doing retention vanish with my left hand ? still impossible haha
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VernonOnCoins Inner circle NYC 1978 Posts |
CP would be the most beneficial and easily achieved with a little extra practice
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
For things like spell bound, I find it helpful to work both right to left and left to right.
That lead me to develop c/p, tenkai, crimp switch, 3 for 3 switch, tiddly wink change, palm to palm change and a few others with both hands. Harris still with palms of aluminum foil, for a lighter touch in coin magic
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bobthemagicdoerguy Regular user I can't remember where I left my 186 Posts |
Always learn with both hands! This is a soapbox of mine. I'm happy you gave me a chance to opine.
I am a lefty, and I learned early on that ambidextrous ability in moves is golden. Half of the books I would read would give instructions like: put your second finger on the deck here, then bend your index finger this way, then with the retained left hand move the right hand towards the spectator and turn face up as your left palm... and so on... Ok, I exaggerate a bit. But I almost always ended up getting mixed up when following instructions because they are written for righties, and I would either start left handed and try to follow along, mentally converting my directions... or when that invariably failed, I would follow the instructions and learn it "wrong handed" to me, only to end up finding I had converted to left handedness again in the procedure somewhere... so I took extra long learning things. Eventually, I would learn it the right way, only to switch to left handed use once I got it. I highly recommend dual handed practice for the following reasons: 1 - it makes you more flexible in performing and building routines. If all you can do is a shuttle pass one way, you pigeonhole yourself into a certain way of performing. Think of it this way - learning to perform ambidextrously is like doubling the number of moves you know. 2 - it cements the moves into your brain, so you know them better. (muscle memory is cumulative. You ever notice how when learning something, you have to concentrate on it step by step, but eventually it becomes so easy you do it almost automatically? Just watch concert pianists sometimes during one of their wild runs. They aren't concentrating on every move. Its automatic. That is because your cerebellum integrates useful muscle movements into a learned set of commands that your brain can automatically trigger, so you don't have to think about motions like which foot to place in front of the other whilst running away from the saber toothed tiger. The way the cerebellum knows it is important to code for is repetition and bilaterallity. Learning both ways forces your muscle memory to kick into high gear and your brain develops pathways that reinforce the motions.) 3 - It helps you master new moves more easily (see # 2. The cerebellum is a beautiful thing.) I work with surgeons. They are masters of manual dexterity. They unanimously endorse learning everything ambidextrously. Not just magic sleights (or, in their case: suturing and inserting things into bodies), but eating, using chopsticks, brushing your teeth, wiping your bottom, everything. Just try living life as a lefty for a while and you'll start to see how it is useful. For magic, some call it overkill. I just know I have developed much better skills because of it. If in doubt, give it a try. I'm convinced its one of the most useful things practice time can be spent on. Learn something advanced both ways, and when you've mastered it with your non-dominant hand, you'll amaze yourself with how much better you can do it with your dominant hand as well. |
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Musicians, jugglers, puppeteers and others would also agree.
Of course one handed routines do have their place. Sometimes work with coins or cards in my right hand, and with Nigel on my left. Except when I do "It can't be done any slower(oil and water card bit), I use my left hand for the cards. For some reason, some moves are easier with my "non-dominant hand". I first learned the coin roll in the left as well. Harris
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
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On 2013-08-27 23:58, bobthemagicdoerguy wrote: Nice note. I remember that Eric Jones mentioned this long ago and all the agony he had to endure in being a lefty, as most magic stuff is written for righties, perhaps even created as such in the first place. They leave leftys to figure it out the other way themselves. When Eric started producing stuff, he would throw the ball back the other way at us rightys and implore us to do what he did... Touche! I agree that it's a nice past times to pursue as to practice, just not very practical as to doing effects. Doubt if specs care if you do it lefty or righty, as they are not aware of most of what you do anyway. Still, learning the less dominant hand is interesting stuff. I did it somewhat, but just found that eventually your stronger side takes over more so than not. You are then left with just a few things you can do now and again. Still, I agree that it is a good exercise and if you can incorporate it more consistently in what you're doing. Good talk! -Mb
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Sometimes we can adjust angles by moving where we stand.
When that can't be done, we can use moves from "the other side". Be safe, well and like the willow, bend so you don't break. Harris now and zen I get it right. nearly normal reader and "righter"
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CarpetShark Special user 576 Posts |
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On 2013-08-26 19:35, David Neighbors wrote: Seriously ?!! Hmm....not to brag, but I can do pretty much any grip, pinch or palm with either hand. Been working on my nowhere palm and the JW grip of late, again, with both hands. I always assumed that was essential! The 'bits' I referred to in my initial post include stuff such as various shuttle passes, the slide vanish, and the bevel slide, these I determine to be 'intermediate' moves...would you agree ? Was/am I wasting my time ?? Posted: Aug 28, 2013 12:56pm Bob, I read your post twice, it was so good! Oh, and I agree with every word. Being able to pull off any move with either hand may not be critical to making one a decent coin handler, but as you said, it enhances your over-all abilities. Of course, being a lefty would be a great incentive to do this, but alas, I am not I once taught guitar lessons. One of my students was a complete rookie, so we started off with the basics..... anyway, after a year or so I asked him to sign something for me, and lo and behold, he was a lefty! I had no idea, so I taught him to play as a righty! The surprising thing is he's now a professional musician, making a decent living at it too. I think I'll keep at it, making sure my left can do at least (as I mentioned previously) the basics, e.g. palms, pinches, simple vanishes etc. It can only make me better. Cheers to all who responded. |
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Lawrens Godon Inner circle France 1108 Posts |
I worked hard to be ambidextrous.
Now I apply this ability to my favorite move, the back thumb palm, founding endless applications every day ! I'm glad I place so much time in this ability |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
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On 2013-08-28 12:46, CarpetShark wrote: Really, so can I Shark, including the amazing Sylvester Pitch. Yep, I can do this most magical of moves in both hands. I don't get to use it much but I considered it a real accomplishment in itself ...And that's saying something as its hard enough getting this thing down good in your dominant hand. Again, though it is not necessary, it is a a good thing to practice and to grow from as to the craft, if you have a mind to do it.
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
[quote]On 2013-08-28 12:46, CarpetShark wrote:
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On 2013-08-26 19:35, David Neighbors wrote: Seriously ?!! Hmm....not to brag, but I can do pretty much any grip, pinch or palm with either hand. Been working on my nowhere palm and the JW grip of late, again, with both hands. I always assumed that was essential! The 'bits' I referred to in my initial post include stuff such as various shuttle passes, the slide vanish, and the bevel slide, these I determine to be 'intermediate' moves...would you agree ? Was/am I wasting my time ?? [/quote) No that's Always good if you can! But I don't know If you NEED IT to do good coin magic! And well the % May have gone down some from my day! But I don't think that much! |
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Magician Shaun Special user Huntington BCH, CA 924 Posts |
Funny, according to Kainoa Harbottle in his cointopia, he is right handed in life but a lefty in coin magic. Apparently, in Coins on Edge he translated everything to right handed moves and then decided not to do so again in Cointopia. I am a lefty and when I learn stuff I just pick it up and do what feels natural.
Concealments I typically learn with both hands and can do all concealments equally well with either hand, I also can muscle pass with either hand but my left is much stronger. Some sleights I do with both hands to make my routines seem better to me. Some things I just can't do with both hands. One thing I know is basically impossible with my right hand is the Classic Pass. It is just too *** hard. I agree that it is not practical to learn every single sleight with both hands. Just too much time to invest for too little benefit. |
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