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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
This effect is advertised on the latest alakazam vlog 17 as "Clint Barrons Brand New effect" no less.
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S-Branham Elite user Folsom, CA 456 Posts |
We have been getting some complaints that the cards are not gimmicked they way they should be.
If you watch the DVD, Clint & Peter both explain that you need to prepare the cards yourself. They show you many ways to prepare the cards and should pick the way that works best for you. I hope I'm not exposing too much here, but my tip is watch the DVD the whole way through. Whenever you get a new effect, you should always watch the DVD or read the instructions before you start playing with a trick. http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/3692 |
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William Draven Elite user Las Vegas, NV 486 Posts |
I honestly think that no design is better than a bike design for Rhine cards. But that's beside the point. I think the bigger issue is an ethical one.
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
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On 2013-09-26 11:56, S-Branham wrote: I think you are missing the points made here - a) Rhine's seems to be a knock-off of other known effects that have been around for some time - and the DVD doesn't seem to address attribution. This has been voiced by MANY here. Not good. b) The Bike ESP cards are not a value added - yes Clint explains how to gimmick the cards. So? I already have a few sets. c) The price feels a little high for what this is - basically just a short DVD d) Where is Peter to comment?
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Mesaboogie Special user 804 Posts |
Here is Clint Barry, oops, sorry, I mean Derren Brown performing the exact same effect AND method in the year 2000!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhXTqTPuGQ4 Regards Andrew |
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doriancaudal Inner circle 1532 Posts |
Is is possible to explain WHY an already existing effect has been published again under the name of Clint Barron ? Maybe Clint could explain that...
I still don't understand. I wanted to buy this one, but hopefully I did not, because I learned from others that it was the same existing material that I use in my repertoire.
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charles.karelis New user 14 Posts |
I am very happy with my purchase of Rhine's Revenge. It's an amazing effect that I personally hadn't seen before, accomplished with a method that I didn't suspect. Seeing that this thread mentions several earlier versions, I found myself wondering whether each of them credits its predecessors, and if not, why people are picking on Clint Barron and Alakazam. In fact Card Shark in Germany has recently brought yet another version out (ESPionage), supposedly invented by Charlie Frye, with essentially the same effect and method,and nobody seems to be complaining about the lack of crediting in this case. So again, why pick on Clint and Alakazam?
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
Charlie Frye taught me his method / version back in early March when we met in England. He gave me the permission to publish it. What first was a kind of Freebie with the Parlour ESP cards (that were already marked) turned out to be a big seller at every Convention I went since then. So we finally officially published ESPionage in Summer. Not sure when Alakazam released their effect, but for my part I can say that we did not copy from anybody. Our ESPionage sells for 20 $, what is - in my opinion - a fair price.
Charlie gave me recently the whole background and history, how he came up with the effect around 2005. As our ESPionage instructions are not on DVD but an online video tutorial, I can update the instructions there to give all background info. At our last meeting (International Magic 2013 in London in November) he taught me a great finale and allowed me to add it to the instructions. So stay tuned if you already got your ESPionage. (A video performance is online in our online shop)
Expert in playing card production for magicians.
The Person Who Says It cannot Be Done Should Not Interrupt The Person Doing It! Chinese Proverb |
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charles.karelis New user 14 Posts |
I don't mean to knock ESPionage. I bought it as well as Rhine's Revenge, and I am happy with ESPionage too. The larger size of the cards from Card Shark is an advantage in a couple of ways, and the value for money is superior IMHO. But anyone who really wants to do the effect should probably purchase both, since each of the instructional videos contains nice touches that improve the effect. As to Charlie Frye's originality, if the Derren Brown video from 2000 (link contained a few posts above) is evidence that Clint Barron didn't come up with it independently in 2012, then the Derren Brown video is also evidence that Charlie Frye didn't come up with it independently in 2005. But personally I think both Alakazam and Card Shark have offered something worthwhile and sufficiently different.
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1KJ Inner circle Warning: We will run out of new tricks in 4385 Posts |
I really like the effect, I just don't perform it. For that reason, I'm selling mine if anyone is interested in getting it at a good price:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......568760#3 |
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e-man Special user HILTON HEAD,SC 880 Posts |
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On Oct 30, 2014, 1KJ wrote: I would like to buy this please. Thank you "Mind-Doggie"
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