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A living wage is a wage that will allow a family of four to eat, clothe themselves, put a roof over their head and afford medical insurance.
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One must also take into consideration that McDonalds itself is corporation whereas the Mcdonald's establishment is a franchise. So who is paying the price for raising the employees salary? Certainly not corporate McDonalds. Nope the owner of the establishment is. So I do not believe that what is paid to employees will affect McDonalds bottom line. But it will affect the businessman who owns one and employees the people who want $15 an hour. Yep comes right out of his pocket.

Most McDonalds are a franchisee, or an affiliate. Some of the restaurants are owned by the parent company most are not. So when one raises prices or salaries it effects the owners first not the parent company first. Yet everyone says McDonalds pays poorly. McDonalds parent company does not pay the employees anything. The owners do. So let that go.
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I find it interesting that workers are demanding 15 bucks an hour to work in fast food. I worked for Starbucks for eight years and while that kind of money would have been great as a barista, I sure wouldn't go on strike over it. Seems a bit absurd to me.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/29/news/fas......pt=hp_t2

I guess I have trouble understanding why it would be considered a bit absurd to strike over a living wage. Even if you are working 40 hours a week, $10 an hour is $20000 a year, almost impossible to live on in NYC at least.

But they're not striking for $10. They want $15.

I understand that it's not a fortune by any means, and I know times are tough. I also look at other jobs where works are making $15 an hour, and I don't believe they compare. Medical transcriptions, sales positions, office managers...granted different companies are going to pay different amounts for things, but what these employees are asking for seems high. And I think there are plenty of high school and college students who will be willing to work for less than that to earn some extra money. I don't see the fast food business shutting down because no one is willing to work for eight or nine bucks an hour.

Maybe it makes me a snob but like I said, I worked in this industry for a long time, and I felt that I was paid fairly. I worked my way through school, through grad school, and into the career I wanted. Unless you're at the management or corporate level, I don't see fast food as a career. Instead of demanding higher paychecks, I would be campaigning for more training programs to lead employees to management and corporate positions. I would be looking at stock options, health insurance, 401k matching and paid time off (all things that Starbucks offered for part time employees when I was with the company.)
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I should qualify my +1. It's not the hamburger price increase that leads to rising prices; it's the minimum wage increase that leads to not only the burger price increase, but also an increase in other prices. Prices are generally "what the market will bear.". When wages go up, the market bears more.

On a side note, fast food is an entry-level job. I realize that there are people who lost high paying jobs and are now working in the industry, but not all jobs are I tended to support families of 4.
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A living wage is a wage that will allow a family of four to eat, clothe themselves, put a roof over their head and afford medical insurance.


Exactly. Big screen TVs don't really figure into the equation.
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Maybe I'm a bit dense this morning, but how does a fifty cent raise in the price of a burger at McDonalds effect the price of gasoline, which is largely governed by global oil prices?

I could just as easily argue that higher burger prices would LOWER the cost of gas. If, as suggested earlier, burger sales actually dropped, there would be fewer people driving to the fast food outlet, hence a lower demand for gasoline.

I didn't notice any spike in gas prices when the price of cigarettes went up. Or haircuts.

But the basic question remains the same- why is it unreasonable to expect employers to pay their workers a living wage? It seems like there is a corporate interest in KEEPING people in poverty.


You missed the obvious. People who buy gas and get haircuts do not smoke cigarettes so there was no affect. Smile
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Costs of living also vary wildly from area to area. It makes sense for the federal minimum wage to be relatively low, with high-cost states setting their own levels higher, if deemed necessary.
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I agree with that. The cost of living in a given area should be a factor in determining the optimal minimum wage for that area. It costs more to live and do business in Manhattan that it does in Butte, Montana. Prices are much higher and wages should be commensurate with that.
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On a side note, fast food is an entry-level job. I realize that there are people who lost high paying jobs and are now working in the industry, but not all jobs are I tended to support families of 4.

Exactly.
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A living wage is a wage that will allow a family of four to eat, clothe themselves, put a roof over their head and afford medical insurance.


Exactly. Big screen TVs don't really figure into the equation.


In order to get this You would need 40 grand a year minimum. Over 20 bucks an hour. In New York even more.
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If the whole country is making nothing but chump change who can afford to have a magician at their kids birthday party. When trickle down economics grabs your by the throat you might have to get several chump change jobs.
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If that guy changing tires down at the service station has to pay more for his lunch every day over at McDonalds,
shouldn't he get a pay raise too?

What about that preschool teacher that runs through the drive through for a quick lunch.
Shouldn't she have more money to help out?

Shouldn't the corporate people pitch in and help us all? I don't think so, I don't think they could afford it.
Besides, they eat hamburgers and have bills to pay too.

Wage increases for the average worker NEVER comes from company profits. Most of the time the consumer foots the bill.
Other times the money is simply taken from co workers in reduced hours, benefits, etc.

When you start talking wage increases, everybody wants in on the action and a good way to justify it is,
"everything costs so much now." Guess why it costs so much.


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Trickle down economics was started 30 years ago, and I'm still waiting to see evidence of any sort of trickle happening. I think all the trickle was diverted at least 29 years ago.
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The market would certainly bear a sixty cent increase in the cost of a burger . . . .

What is the (average) price elasticity of demand for burgers?

It's entirely possible that the market wouldn't bear a sixty-cent increase, without the number of burgers sold dropping to the point that the total revenue is lower, not higher.


I don't believe burger consumption would be reduced if there was a minimal across the board increase in prices.

Whether or not you believe it doesn't make it a certainty.

I'd feel a lot more sanguine with some data.
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There is no way the fast food industry will start paying it's workers $15 an hour. Should they be paid more, sure. Will they, not a chance. I know restaurants around me that pay much less than the minimum wage (they hire illegals and exploit them).
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Guess I was looking at it from a different perspective. As you know I am a landlord and also have a few other enterprises going on. Having said that I only have health insurance for myself and the wife with as with the rentals health insurance does not come into play except with my head mataniance man which have a deal worked out with him. Believe me he is paid well and worth every penny I pay him. In the billiard rooms it is run by all part timers and the small franchise which I am partners in I only attend meetings on these and we have a business manager. So while I pay my own health insurance it is not $20,000 a year as yours will be approaching.
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Should they be paid more, sure.

Why?
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Should they be paid more, sure.

Why?


It's a slave wage for an awful job. I personally wouldn't do it for 3 times what they make now.
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[But they're not striking for $10. They want $15.



Standard bargaining technique. Ask for $15.00 settle for $10.00
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