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George Ledo Magic Café Columnist SF Bay Area 3042 Posts |
Any other devotees of this?
Personally, I keep thinking of #5 a lot recently: "Seek first to understand, then to be understood," especially when attending meetings. More and more, people seem to be talking and not listening, or answering questions without even hearing the full question, or jumping in on what somebody else is saying. Maybe I need to write a book: "The Fine Art of Justifying Your Assumptions," complete with DVD, study guide, and diet/exercise plan. Might as well cover all the bases. And if nobody reads it after they bought it, what the heck, I get paid anyway.
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
I've been meaning to read the book.
Is procrastination one of the seven? |
Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts |
Is not wasting time on a forum?
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
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On 2013-08-31 18:38, S2000magician wrote: Very good. |
Mark Boody Illusionist Inner circle 1366 Posts |
More and more people seem to be talking and not listening? We have 2 ears and 1 mouth, we need to use them in that same proportion!
Mark
Only he who can see the invisible can do the impossible. Frank L. Gaines
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2013-08-31 21:19, Mark Boody Illusionist wrote: Nice platitude. Why that proportion? |
Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2013-08-31 22:28, S2000magician wrote: "The Lord gave us farmers two strong hands so we could grab as much as we could with both of them."
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
And two nostrils so we can smell the BS.
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George Ledo Magic Café Columnist SF Bay Area 3042 Posts |
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On 2013-08-31 18:38, S2000magician wrote: Don't bother reading it. It's padded to the hilt. When I first ran into the book back in the mid-90s, I bought a casette tape, which was about a half-hour condensation of the book, and put it into my car's player. It didn't take very long to figure out it was just a bunch of padding, but then I realized that it had to be: why would anyone pay $20-something for a book with only seven very short sentences? Sadly, I found the same thing with several other self-help books: a heckuva lot of words to deliver a very brief message. However, the casette came in a cardboard wrapper which had the seven habits listed on one of the panels: seven very short sentences which made total common sense to me. So I cut out the panel and placed it where I could see it in the morning when I was getting ready for work. I lost the panel years ago when I moved, but I still keep the seven habits (those seven very short sentences) in mind: they still make total common sense.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Franklin Covey is the marketing force that has grown out of Covey's books. They have since expanded into the education market, charging schools a hefty fee to use their materials.
I had a meeting with a couple of their people last year. When I mentioned that I could find no published research about their methods, they admitted that there was none, that they had hired a researcher and they were hoping I could work with them to develop a research basis for the stuff that they were already selling. Such is the way of management (and educational) gurus, I guess. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
Slide Special user 533 Posts |
The best book I've read on these lines is Peter Druckers The Effective Executive. I've read the Covey book and it didn't hold a candle to the old master, Drucker.
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George Ledo Magic Café Columnist SF Bay Area 3042 Posts |
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Such is the way of management (and educational) gurus, I guess. Yup -- sell it first and then... change the cover and sell it again. If nobody reads the stuff, they won't be able to tell the difference anyway. Back in my architecural days -- when I was the "out of town consultant" -- I used to tell clients a joke to break the ice: "A consultant is somebody who borrows your watch and then charges you a fee to tell you what time it is." It always amazed me how suddenly I became one of the good guys.
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frankvomit Elite user 485 Posts |
If you already have time management skills and understand order of importance then you really don't need the book. If you didn't listen to anything in school between grade 6 and 8 then maybe the book might be for you. but then there are focus groups you can attend for free to get the same information, if that's your thing.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
I read it for a police management class. It had a lot of good stuff in it. There are lecture videos available to complement the material as well. I wouldn't say I'm a "devotee" but I do use a lot of stuff from it.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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Watchmaker Veteran user 369 Posts |
The whole point of the Seven Habits is not to learn seven tricks to make you more effective, it's an entire attitude where the focus is on what is important. Some people are such geniuses that they always do the right thing and can spot all the bull from everyone else. For most of us that is not the case.
The book by the late Mr. Stephen Covey takes you from deciding what is most important in your life (by writing a mission statement) to make it happen. You need to sit down often and 'put first things first', make sure you are doing the things that help you achieve your goals and strengthen your personal relationships. To not bother with the things that don't matter or you have no control over. Most people who think it's psycho-babble touchy-feely waste of time, fine. Other people think it's a great way order your life and not get distracted. I highly recommend the lessons taught in the Seven Habits. Mr. Ledo point out #5, Seek first to understand, then to be understood, which is great. That one often is very hard for some people since when you are speaking with them they are not listening but thinking about what they are going to say next when it's their turn. So many times people do not even care what the other guy has to say, it's dismissed out of hand because they disagree. That is such a bad thing for both people. The person trying to get an idea across gets frustrated since they feel like they are talking to a brick wall, and the person listening is not open to something which he might learn from. Now the irony is that the people who could stand to learn this habit the most will nod their heads thinking it's the other guy who won't listen and come to reason (his point of view) when in reality it is him that should be quiet an listen. You can usually spot this type of person because when they finally do speak they do so with personal attacks and name calling rather than a thought out response. Anyone who follows the seven habits will almost certainly become a better, more effective person. You can go to http://www.franklincovey.com to learn more. Of course they will try to sell you all sorts of planners and pens, etc. but the book is everything you need. Respectfully, Phil |
Slide Special user 533 Posts |
"To not bother with the things that don't matter or you have no control over. "
LOL. You mean like every thread in the Not Really Magical section? |
Watchmaker Veteran user 369 Posts |
Mr. Slide,
Yes, exactly! Sometimes it's fun to waste time so to speak, as long as it isn't at the expense of what matters most. One thing I meant to add was that, knowing what's smart and doing what's smart are not the same and it's very hard for some reason to do both. Another "guru" Dave Ramsey, the financial guy, teaches people things like "don't spend more than you make". It would be easy to make fun of him and say "what kind of moron doesn't know that?". But unfortunately we know too well what the answer to that is. I have to remind myself to stay away from "Not Really Magical, still" as you say, but sometimes it draws me, like looking at a bad accident. Thanks for the reminder. P. P.S. I hate to admit, but it's this exact forum that makes me stay away from the Magic Café for long periods of time. |
Slide Special user 533 Posts |
You and me both brother, you and me both.
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