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I've been thinking and reading a lot about Reminiscence. It's an inspiringly brilliant idea, but my concern (one that I've seen others express too) is that the revelation process is long and difficult to manage, with a high likelihood of the d**l r*****y breaking down for the volunteer.

After much consideration, I think I have a pretty good idea for how to modify the prop (slightly) and the presentation (significantly) to make it a bit easier on the performer and more impactful for the volunteer, without lessening the impact on the audience.

I'd love to discuss my thoughts with someone who has experience performing Reminiscence, and knows the method so we can talk freely by PM.
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Dude. Derren has performed this fine for years without the DR breaking down.
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Absolutely. Forgive me if it sounded like I was being overly critical of the original presentation -- it can be magnificent, and in the hands of a performer as skilled at managing DR as Derren, it's clearly pretty much foolproof.

That said, it does seem that the effect is often more impressive to the audience than to the volunteer. And, just as a personal preference, I wanted to construct a presentation that didn't require the idea of the volunteer projecting their thoughts to the audience.

I would never claim to have "improved" Derren's idea in any significant way -- I only propose a slightly modified version of his brilliance that, I think, opens the doors to some variation on the core method, and might make Reminiscence a bit more accessible to different kinds of performers.
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It works in my show, only when they talk afterwards it usually gets revealed...
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I believe my presentation would reduce -- though certainly not eliminate -- the chances of that happening.
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Synesthesia, Where can someone learn Reminiscence?
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Sean, you can find it in the 1st edition of Derren's Pure Effect if you can get hold of it. It was removed from the 2nd editions and up.
I would like to hear your thoughts on it Synesthesia.

Cheers.
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Just wondering, would your presentation still require the spectator to believe the audience is picking up the ideas he memorized?
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On 2013-09-03 05:24, MrWall wrote:
Sean, you can find it in the 1st edition of Derren's Pure Effect if you can get hold of it. It was removed from the 2nd editions and up.
I would like to hear your thoughts on it Synesthesia.

Cheers.


Thanks. It always suprises me how many people own this very rare and expensive 1st edition that Derren sold in his lectures back in the 90's.
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To be fair, if you study his international magic lecture and are educated in mentalism it's not that difficult to come up with a method to do the same effect. Is it going to be Derrens method? No idea, as I haven't seen his method. Can you do the same thing relatively easily? Yep.

But, I know what you're saying Sean. I'm often surprised about that myself. I've been trying to get my hands on a copy for a while now and it's either out of print or too pricey on ebay for me. I must just be looking in the wrong places.
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Even before the advent of torrents there was an underground trade in bootleg copies of rare manuscripts and effects. If you were lucky enough to have an original Pure Effect you would constantly be offered inducements to part with a photo-copy of Lift and Reminiscence. I remember Informatico Principle was printed on red paper, in an (ultimately futile) attempt to stop bootleggers.

The only difference is that now it is taking place on an industrial scale. The giveaway is always when someone says " I think I've got that book"! You can be sure they haven't got it on their book shelf!
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Hey folks -- as I've discussed in a couple private conversations spawned by this post, I openly admit I do not personally own a 1st ed, but I did have occasion to spend some time with one, and naturally Reminiscence was among the first things I devoured. I don't perform the effect (I research much more than I perform), but once the brilliant method was in my head this idea started forming, and I really wanted to discuss it with some others in the know.

In response to 123crampt's question: nope, and that's an important change -- "transmission to the audience" isn't part of this presentation.
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Rem is based on an idea by Kenton Knepper. I'd recommend looking at that. I believe Kenton called it Imagination Game or something like that.

To say that Derren has been performing this for years without the DR ever breaking is a MASS over generalisation. It hasnt been part of his working rep for years and how can we say for certain that the DR has NEVER been broken? We havent spoken to his guests, we've not been in audiences where he's performed it (for the most part).
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To be honest, even watching Derren perform Reminiscence live the DR was broken at one point during the performance, if you were observant. I always considered that moment to be the routine's Achilles heel. Even so, I still regard it as a seminal routine in the history of mentalism.
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The giveaway is always when someone says " I think I've got that book"! You can be sure they haven't got it on their book shelf!

That's not always a giveaway unless it is a rare book (that said I recently discovered that one of the Tamariz books that "I'm sure I've got" is apparently rare and valuable). To be fair though many of my books are not on my bookshelf they are in my loft as my study became my daughters bedroom when she was born. I do have several of my favourites in my wardrobe. I have been buying magic books since the late 70's and my father was collecting them long before I was born so I have an extensive library, at least 500 books, I could not begin to list them all.

Some books I know for a fact I have (took me about 4 hours to dig out my copy of 13 steps when I got into mentalism). Some books I know I have bought but have no clue if I still have them, I recently discovered John Carey has been borrowing my copy of Coinmagic for the last 20 years. I told him I have his copy of The Classic Magic of Larry Jennings but he insisted he still has his copy so I'm buggered if I know who's copy I have, could be anybodies. I know I never bought a copy! Chances are the person that did buy it still has whatever I lent them in return for borrowing Larry. Some books I know I've read but have no clue if I bought them, borrowed them or simply acquired them along the way.

So if you are my age or older and have been in and out of magic since childhood and value books over individual effects and have many magician friends to trade with and lend to and from and are as disorganised and absent minded as me it is quite probable that you have a library that far exceeds your ability to keep track of.

Yes I have a copy of Pure effect however it is not the first edition and I have never actually seen a first edition with my own eyes. Lift has been revealed many times, sometimes inadvertently but I am completely oblivious to the effect called reminiscence let alone the method.

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On 2013-09-03 10:51, Martin Pulman wrote:
The giveaway is always when someone says " I think I've got that book"! You can be sure they haven't got it on their book shelf!

That's not always a giveaway unless it is a rare book


Thanks for your reply Mark, but I was specifically referring to rare books.
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