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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 188 Posts 
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Cost of Obamacare:
http://obamacarefacts.com/costof-obamacare.php 10 Myths Of Obamacare: http://thanksobamacare.org/index.php?s=myths Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Slide Special user 533 Posts
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"It's about those of us who work hard all our lives and pay our taxes and will now support those who haven't and don't."
That is a completely asinine statement. I dare say I've worked as hard as you, perhaps harder and yet I was facing a situation where my son and wife would be denied coverage: one for pre-existing breast cancer and my son with a pre-existing congenital heart condition. My own payments about to go to $18,000 a year. So you want to call me a marxist because now my family can be covered and I can afford to actually get health insurance. My life has been dedicated to creating jobs (at least 40 families have good paying jobs today because of my direct efforts), and yet I'm not allowed to have decent healthcare coverage and if I do I'm a MARXIST. go f yourself |
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NicholasD Inner circle 1458 Posts
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Only time will tell if Obamacare works well for most people or not. I know which way I'm betting. But, the things that leave a bad taste in my mouth are: The Nancy Pelosi line that "You have to pass the bill to find out what's in it." The shady way the bill was pushed through and down our throats. The fact that those who were responsible for passing the bill want to opt out of Obamacare. What the heck does that tell you? You'd think they would have gone in one hundred percent to show their support.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts
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The absolute lie that it would cost under a trillion.
Myths? How aboutnthe lies they told to pass it? That is what I meant by it is about ideology. It is. It is not about affordable. And stop the socialism nonsense Ron. Your point is silly. Abd face it guys it is a liberal dream come true.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts
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Where will all the doubters hide when the prices go down?
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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Slide Special user 533 Posts
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"That is what I meant by it is about ideology."
The people who are for The Affordable Health Care Act are those millions of american who need it: those suffering from pre-existing conditions, those who can't get affordable insurance because they are not a cog in a large corporation. The ONLY people opposed are the ideologs. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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On 2013-09-06 10:37, NicholasD wrote: Specifically, could you name those who voted in favor of the bill who now seek to opt out? I'd be interested in seeing that. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On 2013-09-06 06:10, R.S. wrote: Many Republicans probably oppose the free E.R. Care, too.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On 2013-09-06 06:22, R.S. wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/cbo-obamacare-pric......655.html
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts
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On 2013-09-06 10:37, NicholasD wrote: http://www.salon.com/2013/08/21/calling_......amacare/ "During the drafting of the Affordable Care Act, Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, tried to trap Democrats by introducing an amendment requiring that most members and aides switch their health benefits from their existing coverage under the Federal Employees Health Benefit Plan to one of the plans offered on a state-based insurance exchange. The idea was that Democrats would vote it down (for both principled and self-interested reasons) and Republicans would have a new talking point: Democrats want Obamacare for thee, but not for me." "Well, Democrats called his bluff, adopted the amendment and it is now the law. An ambiguity in the legislative text created confusion as to whether members and aides would be able to keep their tax preferred employer premium contributions and the Obama administration ruled earlier this month that indeed they will." "That decision is what Republicans are referring to when they falsely claim the government “exempted” Congress from Obamacare. It would be more fair to say Congress gets special treatment in Obamacare (nobody else in the exchanges gets to contribute pre-tax employer dollars toward their costs), but as it turns out, that’s what Grassley himself intended when he drafted the amendment, as his own plain-text description of the provision makes clear."
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts
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My God Lobo not even the heartless animals at FOX noise say turn sick people down at the ER's.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts
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On 2013-09-06 10:52, Al Angello wrote: I will be the first to shout how smart you are, Al! Because if the "prices go down" they need to REALLY go down, and I just can not see that as any reasonable possibility. I am all for TACA, having closed down my corporate plan as of january 1, 2014- I really, really want it to succeed and though I detest socialism, health care is arguably one exception for me. But, it will take a miracle for it to be anything but a major expense and more national debt. Much more debt. I truly hope you are scrying an accurate future...
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On 2013-09-06 07:26, Slide wrote: You have a wife *and* a girlfriend? Danger, Will Robinson! I think laws could have been passed to protect people from losing their coverage as a result of getting an illness without going through the ACA. On the other hand, there are also people who could afford relatively inexpensive insurance but choose not to, then get diagnosed with an illness and it's not so cheap anymore, and now it's "unfair" because of their "pre-existing condition." the ant and the grasshopper, or something. I'm not sure how much of that, morally, should be the taxpayers' problem. I guess I think that not all preexisting condition situations are the same. There's a difference (to me) between not being able to afford insurance and being able to afford it but choosing not to. There's a difference between an insurance company charging you high rates when you go to them and say "I have cancer" versus jacking your rates through the roof when you get sick after you're insured by them. I guess mostly I think that the fact that problems existed under the old system didn't require the solution that was actually proposed. "ACA or what we used to have exactly as we had it" is a false dichotomy.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On 2013-09-06 12:11, Mr. Mystoffelees wrote: As one doubter, I won't hide anywhere! You guys will be the first to know if my rates go down. Don't hold your breath, though! Unless you have a policy that covers voluntary oxygen deprivation.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On 2013-09-06 11:59, Al Angello wrote: Ok, maybe I was too cynical about that one.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Slide Special user 533 Posts
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"You have a wife *and* a girlfriend?"
Thanks for bringing that up. I actually could not get a divorce from my wife until after the affordable health care act was passed. We waited over 3 years to finalize our divorce so that she could remain on my policy. Otherwise I would have left her with no health care options at all. We finally finalized our divorce this summer, 4 years after we seperated, ONLY because of the health care issue. You guys really don't have a clue, do you. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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See, that's the kind of thing I'm talking about...I don't think someone who's already insured should lose coverage from a family decision. But we didn't need the ACA to say, "Someone covered on a spouse's policy can't be dropped if the couple divorces."
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Slide Special user 533 Posts
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" But we didn't need the ACA to say, "Someone covered on a spouse's policy can't be dropped if the couple divorces.""
But we did, didn't we. |
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts
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Lobo
Soon you will run out of denial room. It is first Friday around here so I gotta go and make the little kiddies laugh now. Have a nice day my guys.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On 2013-09-06 12:31, Slide wrote: No; we chose it.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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