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jackouille07 Regular user France 110 Posts 
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How possible thinking a dealer can fleece 37 grand out of a casino without being noticed? It really depend on the limit table. Stealing 37 000€ from a 1€/50€ BJ table will be very suspicous. But stealing the SAME amount of money from a 50€/2500€ table limit without creating suspicion,I say YES, it's a possibility. As Cagliostro said in a previous post: playing the limit at a low limit table is a red flag. And like Dustin D Mark said in one of his book: Never bet the limit to stay under the radar. It's not really about the amount of money, but much better the percentage it represent. Quote:
But there are people (or software) analyzing tables, incomes, bets. Really!? Not in every places Arnold! And even if there is people or software analyzing this stuff, what? A roulette table can loose money on 1 day, even 1 week, and a month and maybe more if the casino is unlucky! Just take a look at the official annual earning of French casinos. (if you are interested I can give you a link) In some casinos, especially with Stud Poker, some tables are loosing money after 1 running year!!!!! Quote:
The last time I've been to a casino there was more staff around the tables than players! So, find another place! Like Steve Forte said in his book: Cheaters are searching for puppies, not Pit Bull!!!! There is some places in France where there is no pit bosses!!! |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts
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@jackouille07
The hell you're talking about? I'm not interested in playing in casinos... I was just debating. Again, what I meant was, what is the point to hire so many people in a casino for running/checking games when a BJ dealer can cheat his employers by simply paying losing hands? [...]Like Steve Forte said in his book: Cheaters are searching for puppies, not Pit Bull!!!! [...] Geez! What a piece of advice! I wouldn't have figured that on my own. |
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ssibal Veteran user 352 Posts
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Just like you never blow into a breathalyzer if pulled over for driving drunk you never confess if accused of cheating. In both cases all you are doing is handing yourself on a platter.
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jackouille07 Regular user France 110 Posts
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The hell you're talking about? I'm not interested in playing in casinos... I was just debating. Okay Arnold, because my english is poor, I can sometime misinterpret some purposes or bad express myself, sorry. Quote:
Again, what I meant was, what is the point to hire so many people in a casino for running/checking games when a BJ dealer can cheat his employers by simply paying losing hands? Maybe the dealer just made a mistake one time and they said he was paying losing hands or overpaying winning hands. Quote:
[...]Like Steve Forte said in his book: Cheaters are searching for puppies, not Pit Bull!!!! [...] So, why do you want to play Poker or Gin with Cagliostro!? |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts
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@jackouille07
Offended, me? Er, try harder lol. About my sarcastic comment, don't pay too much attention. I've always had troubles with things I consider obvious whereas other people... seem not to. Worst case been the famous Erdnase. But I'm about to digress... About Cag, I'm convinced he is an easy target  . |
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jackouille07 Regular user France 110 Posts
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Underestimating his opponement is always a mistake.
Concerning your sarcastic comment, I'm okay. You've probably spend too much time with Cag... lol (sorry I could not resist) Peace. |
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The Dowser Special user Canada 763 Posts
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[quote]On 2013-09-08 19:09, jackouille07 wrote:
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It doesn't work that way. Dealers make these "honest" mistakes all the time. NOBODY gets arrested for one simple mistake... in the worst places they may lose their job and even that is unlikely in most casinos. The cheating must either be obvious, or consistent... or someone has to give away their true intentions by: trying to hide their actions; confessing; doing some action to set up the move ahead of time (premeditation); etc. |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts
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On 2013-09-08 22:14, The Dowser wrote: And what technique do you use to get crooked dealers confessions? One way ticket for the desert  ? |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts
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On 2013-09-08 18:45, AMcD wrote: We're both grooming you for casino play so that you make a lot of money so that you can take me on because as you said, "About Cag, I'm convinced he is an easy target." I agree 100% with you assessment Arnold. So let's build up that bankroll (in casinos), so we can play for the highest dollars possible so that when I lose, it will make you a lot of money. Since it will table stakes, the more you put up the more I can lose to you. Make sense? I know I would be a fool to take Arnold on, but...I'm feeling magnanimous and I would gain lot of experience watching Arnold work under fire. |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts
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Cag, you sliced my post a bit too much, you forgot the trailing smiley...
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Tony45 Veteran user 384 Posts
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Someone was telling me a guy got nailed for past posting on a crap table a few months ago and the guy got 8-20 years for it.
Now on first thought, I figured this was another "Dealer exaggeration" story as if you have spent any time around them, they are the worst. But I asked this guy the question that might shed a little light on it : "Did the guy have a jacket ?" He said to me "T, this guy has a sheet a mile long" Now how this guy knew this, I have no idea, but he was there when the guy got popped by gaming, so I guess he had to ask someone. So obviously, they had this guy under surveilance for quite a while, and I don't mean sitting in one joint waiting for him to show up, these guys either had someone drop a dime on him as to where he was going or they had his phone tapped or had a tail on him. I just cant see them expending that much time and energy on one guy, but I guess if they got that big a hard on for you, its possible. But if they want you, they got all the time in the world, IF THEY GOT A SCENT. All you got to do is mess up once or not see or feel the heat and youre done. |
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jackouille07 Regular user France 110 Posts
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[quote]On 2013-09-08 22:14, The Dowser wrote:
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On 2013-09-08 19:09, jackouille07 wrote: I agree with you Dowser, you can't be arrested for one mistake, but you can lose your job for that. But maybe the woman who wrote this arcticle had heard about "paying losing hands" and find good to add this in her newspaper article. Take a look at this woman who wrote the article: Her name: Elizabeth Eisele If you google it you will find her linkedin profil: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/elizabeth-eisele/1a/797/285 Look at her job: "Produce stories for kmov.com" And it seem she has no gambling background. |
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The Dowser Special user Canada 763 Posts
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... could be.
But dealers do get caught for repeatedly paying losing hands to the same patron on different occasions more often then you might expect. Some people just don't have any better ideas... and most are usually conned into doing it by the outside person... or they are compromised somehow and do it under pressure. |
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Tony45 Veteran user 384 Posts
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On 2013-09-10 01:44, The Dowser wrote: That's it right there, they don't have the brains to switch up A,s or they keep making the same dumb moves over and over. Personally, I think in the old days more money was stolen off the crap tables than 21, just a feeling. |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts
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@tony
I'd like some examples of staff cheating the craps tables, if you don't mind. Craps is really a mystery to me! I mean, when you see how many people can stand around a craps table, it must be a hell of a game to control (from the casino point of view). For instance, how to control no one is post betting, etc. Looks like action never stops around the table, people betting, shouting, throwing dice. I suppose it takes years of training before being offered to work at a craps table? Do the guys just do that, or they also work for other games, like roulette, baccarat, etc.? |
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The Dowser Special user Canada 763 Posts
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On 2013-09-09 03:34, Tony45 wrote: They were probably referring to Richard Taylor (Mr. Casino): http://blogs.commercialappeal.com/cgi-bi......eBlogs=8 |
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Marlin1894 Special user 559 Posts
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I always wondered what happened to memph33777. |
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts
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On 2013-09-10 10:45, Marlin1894 wrote: Good old Memph.... "Never Give Game to a Lame" "Coat Tail Pullers" It's hard to reckon that it's been around 6 years since he posted here in the forum. Memph may have been a bit short on table manners, but he certainly knew of what he typed. |
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Marlin1894 Special user 559 Posts
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Has it really been that long? Man, how time flies.
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Magic-Scott Veteran user 310 Posts
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These guys are real amateurs - what fools!
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