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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts 
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Tom Boleware - Spot on post!
I enjoyed a 30+ year performing career that built almost exclusively on word of mouth and being SEEN. Not one single other marketing effort in all those years did as much for me. It helps to have nice promotional materials, but these should be considered reinforcement to your own charm and abilities, not the honey that draws the flies to the pot. What was alluded to earlier is very true... cream still rises to the top. Anyone can book a gig, once. Getting a repeat booking requires more effort. Many of the hacks will eventually burnout. The rest are most assuredly looking for new customers for every gig... either that, or they are simply lucky enough to have a long list of clueless clients. For many years, my philosophy was simple: 1) Perform the best show I was capable of giving at a fair price. 2) Act in a professional manner, with honest concern and respect for the client. 3) Do every show as if it might be an audition for my next one. 4) Be flexible to contingencies. 5) Strive to have future and repeat clients want ME, and not "a magician". ~michael
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The Great Zucchini Inner circle 1347 Posts
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I also agree with Gary and tom. Marketing can get you some 1st shows but if you aren't any good, word of mouth won't keep your calendar full because word will get out about you.
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Potty the Pirate Inner circle 4633 Posts
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The issue really isn't cut-and-dried. What do you think happens when the inexperienced youngsters are suddenly flooded with heaps of work?
They turn to the internet. There, they can easily learn how to keep a bunch of kids happy for a couple of hours. It might be magic, but equally, it could be games, quizzes, anything. As long as one way or another they can satisfy their clients, they will do what they can. I started that way, and I still work to that principle today. I have no problem with youngsters starting out like this. But the weird, and dangerous thing, is when they expect to start out charging the full local rate. That normally spells their demise, as they simply can't compete. But nevertheless, the current lifespan of such acts is about 3 years in my area, which would nicely see a student through college. ;) |
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts
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A few years ago this little darlings forum was full of "cookbook magicians" who were told by certain people (you can do the math yourself) that all you gotta do is buy my DVD's, follow my easy to follow instructions, and you will have a neat little part time job, get out of the house on Saturday morning, and make a few bucks on the side. Thankfully all of those "cookbook magicians" have moved on, and left this forum to hard working people with a calling to do magic for kids.
What has happened to those "cook book magicians" you might ask? Well they are selling Amway today and have a large collection of how to become an instantly successful magician DVD's. Please don't ask me any questions about those "certain people" I mentioned here, because they are still around.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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TrickyRicky Inner circle TrickyRicky 1653 Posts
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On 2013-09-08 22:31, jcrabtree2007 wrote: Spot on JCRABTREE. May I say anymore. rICKY |
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Harv Inner circle I'm building a fence with 1127 Posts
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On 2013-09-08 16:30, Jolly Roger wrote: I noticed from the above quote you specifically target ``young people`` as if there are no``older people`` with internet marketing savvy or lousy shows. Your statement is a complete generalization with no basis in fact. What a load of bunk. |
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jamiedoyle Special user Lafayette, IN 619 Posts
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I think Harv joied this conversation with only the intention to stir the pot.
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Harv Inner circle I'm building a fence with 1127 Posts
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On 2013-09-09 17:10, jamiedoyle wrote: No Jamie, I actually read his post and can see it for what it is. |
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jamiedoyle Special user Lafayette, IN 619 Posts
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No Harv,
I think you are quite taken with Roger. I'm sure he will see it as a sign of endurement to himself. I don't believe there was any "targeting" in Roger's post - a simple generalization. Unless you see yourself as an old guy with no talent who uses the internet to market himself, I don't see the point of your jab. |
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Harv Inner circle I'm building a fence with 1127 Posts
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On 2013-09-09 17:33, jamiedoyle wrote: It doesn't matter to me whether you see the point or not. You are entitled to your opinion just like the rest of us. I am quite taken with Roger....are you homophobic? |
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jamiedoyle Special user Lafayette, IN 619 Posts
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It doesn't matter to me whether you see the point or not. You are entitled to your opinion just like the rest of us. I am quite taken with Roger....are you homophobic? [/quote] Well then my opinionated aquantance - post all the pointless drivle that you want. What do you mean by "Homophobic"? I sense an accusation of biggotry here. |
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Harv Inner circle I'm building a fence with 1127 Posts
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On 2013-09-09 17:46, jamiedoyle wrote: It doesn't matter to me whether you see the point or not. You are entitled to your opinion just like the rest of us. I am quite taken with Roger....are you homophobic? [/quote] Well then my opinionated aquantance - post all the pointless drivle that you want. What do you mean by "Homophobic"? I sense an accusation of biggotry here. [/quote] Stop wasting your time and mine. I stand by what I said and if you don't agree or think I posted to stir up the pot that is your right in a free country. |
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Jolly Roger V.I.P. Sedona, Arizona 1667 Posts
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You've got to LOVE Harv the Hater!!! I think he is the only angry bus driver I know!!!
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Dynamike Eternal Order FullTimer 24148 Posts
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Hi Harv. Misunderstandings happen a lot on the internet. I believe JR put "young people" because they usually would know less of how to run a business. Older people would have more experience from life. JR meant nothing negative towards anyone by putting "young people" even though this is "The Little Darlings" forum.
This is a great thread he started. And it has a lot of creative and interesting post. |
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Jolly Roger V.I.P. Sedona, Arizona 1667 Posts
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Quite right Mike!!! I think Harv should take me out to dinner when I visit the professional children's entertainers in Toronto next year like Mark Lewis and Richard Lyn! Potty the Pirate may also be joining us!!! JR
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Harv Inner circle I'm building a fence with 1127 Posts
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On 2013-09-09 18:17, Jolly Roger wrote: In what way am I a hater Roger? Am I not free to express my opinion? You put out a statement and I thought it was a load of dog poo. Do you expect everyone to coddle you and agree with you? Yes, I am a bus driver as you well know and proud of it and I will retire in 2 1/2 years with 29 years on the job and a full pension. I didn`t start the jabs but I did totally disagree with you. Sorry I didn`t stroke your sorry ego. |
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Jolly Roger V.I.P. Sedona, Arizona 1667 Posts
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I Love you HARV!!! Now, will you be paying for dinner? JR
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Harv Inner circle I'm building a fence with 1127 Posts
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On 2013-09-09 18:34, Jolly Roger wrote: No you don`t and no, I won`t be paying for dinner. You made a statement about young people being good internet marketers and having lousy shows. Now back up that statement. Mike, thanks for trying to smooth the waters. I took Roger`s post literally and just want him to back up his statement with some facts. |
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TommyJ Inner circle Foxboro, MA 1750 Posts
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I will pay for dinner with you JR, Harv, Me, Mark and Tricky. Set a date and time. I know you personally JR and you are a great guy. I have known Harv for many years and he is a great guy too. Everyone is great!
"Keep the Kids Laughing!"
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Jolly Roger V.I.P. Sedona, Arizona 1667 Posts
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But I do love you Harv..........really!!!! To prove it, I will buy YOU dinner!!!!
 JR |
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