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Remarkable Marco Veteran user When I grow up, I want to have 355 Posts |
I love the idea behind Heirloom but I perform mainly mentalism and somehow Heirloom's "bizarre" quality does not seem to mesh with my other effects. So I was toying with the idea of presenting it as an experiment in subliminal suggestion. You could start talking about how advertisers, salesmen and people in working in the media use subliminal ways to influence people by clever use of body language, intonation, speech patterns, visual elements, etc. Maybe you mention Derren Brown somewhere in there.
Then you say you'd like to try an experiment about subliminal communication. You are going to tell the spectator a simple story coming from your family history, and as you do so you are going to subliminally plant a piece of information in the spectator's mind. You may involve others by asking them to listen and watch you closely to see if they can spot the secret piece of information you are trying to transmit. Then you perform Heirloom, and you present the final revelation as the result of your subliminal influence - that is, you "forced" the spectator to choose that card. If you get the result slightly wrong, you do not use the Heirloom letter to adjust the outcome, and you allow the slight miss to be seen as evidence that that was not a trick. Subliminal influence, after all, is not an exact science! What do people think about this? Ideas? Suggestions? |
Gourmet Loyal user 289 Posts |
I like the idea behind it really but wouldn't use it in connection with playing cards. if you could do it for real, you wouldn't do it with playing cards either, i.e. the "heirloom way"
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MatCult Inner circle 1518 Posts |
If presenting it that way, it would make more sense for you to do away with the 'Uncle Charlie' photos and instead use photos of yourself (IMHO at least).
Then you face the problem of explaining the unusual size of these photos of yourself.
"Disbelief in magic can force a poor soul into believing in government and business."
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4187 Posts |
Without a plausable pseudo explanation of how they were influenced the effect is effectively reduced from a free choice to a f***e and thus weakened in my opinion. I love heirloom and when I moved to mentalism I stopped performing it because it didn't fit. Now I present it as psychometry by telling them about my uncle including the story of his lucky card. I then give them an old pocket watch that belonged to him to hold as I explain the concept of psychometry.
First I ask them to close their eyes, feel the watch and imagine they were the owner. I get them to describe the kind of person they think owned the watch and, of course, they are surprisingly accurate, partially helped by the details in the story. Then I ask them to see if they can get an impression of which card he would pick as his lucky card. They are either spot on or extremely close, and likewise I do not use the letter. Of course I don't think psychometry would fit in with the psychological approach. Mark |
Cervier Inner circle France 1274 Posts |
Just as I was starting to write, I received a phone call. By the time I hung up, Mark had posted a message, very similar to what I was about to write -but better!
I totally agree presenting it as a force, subliminal or not, weakens the effect. The props themselves call for a story and something more "serious" than a mere "I made you think of that card". I agree also that, giving the power to the spectator is the way to go, whether you let him try his psychometry skills, or his "unconscious psychological senses". I love the idea of the old watch! If you don't want take the psychometry route, maybe displaying a few objects that belonged to your uncle (watch, letter, pen...) could give the spectator a feeling of the kind of card such a person would pick. You don't need to go into details about how intuition works --or maybe you can, if you care to-- but anyway, it's not as dull or bland as a precise "NLP analysys". It means even if you're the kind of mentalist who wants to stick to rational explanations, you can go the "mysterious way" Mark suggests. I'd go with psychometry. Mark, it's an excellent idea that fits that routine extremely well!!!
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12941 Posts |
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On 2013-09-18 06:58, Gourmet wrote: Y not? |
mindmagic Inner circle London 1740 Posts |
Or you could just stick with Kolossal Killer or one of its variants. It depends on your presentation style.
Barry |
mindmagic Inner circle London 1740 Posts |
Or you could just stick with Kolossal Killer or one of its variants. It depends on your presentation style.
Barry |
kinesis Inner circle Scotland, surrounded by 2708 Posts |
After telling the Uncle Charlie story. I get to the point where Uncle Charlie is in the saloon with the final hand of cards. I ask the spectator to close their eyes. I have them imagine they are hurtling back in time through a time tunnel. I ask them to create the saloon in their mind ad that they are standing, like a ghost from the future, behind my Uncle Charlie. They watch as he lifts the final card. I ask them to remember the card they can see. I bring them back to present day and have them open their eyes and name the card they saw. It plays better than the rough description here. I use a lot of description and linguistics. Many female spectators feel weirded out by an almost out of body experience. When the photo is revealed they can become quite moved as it's been very interactive.
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Remarkable Marco Veteran user When I grow up, I want to have 355 Posts |
Thank you all for the great ideas!!
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JBCloseUpMagic New user 14 Posts |
This is probably not the right place to ask, but Ive been looking around EVERYWHERE and no dealers sell heirloom anymore, does anyone know where I could get it? I would really appreciate it.
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Gourmet Loyal user 289 Posts |
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On 2013-09-18 10:53, John C wrote: this premise behind the op thinking seems very powerful to me : Quote:
On 2013-09-18 04:11, Remarkable Marco wrote: I would rather worke it into a different presentation that do the power of this premise justice. maybe it´s just me but look : " I can subliminally make you think, whatever I want you to think of and I make you think of..... a playing card !!" |
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