On 2013-09-26 18:50, R.S. wrote:

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On 2013-09-26 08:40, acesover wrote:

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On 2013-09-26 06:09, R.S. wrote:

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On 2013-09-25 21:16, acesover wrote:
Not sure what you mean by "paying the price". However we are all born with "original sin". If your not sure what it is just google it. I know what it is and don't have to.

If Adam had NOT disobeyed, how would things be different for us today? Would there not be war, and poverty, and sickness, and disease, and natural disasters? Would we now be living in an earthly "paradise" of some sort?


Ron

You asked and answered your question. No war, no poverty, no sickness, no disease.

Thanks Aces. That's interesting. But you left out natural disasters - what about those?

So in your opinion, if Adam had not disobeyed, then we would all be fortunate to live in a world with no war, no poverty, no sickness, and no disease. But, since we do have to endure all those terrible things, we are all now paying the price for what Adam did, right? Is that how you see it?

And I'd still like to know your thoughts on the free will videos that I posted.


Ron

On 2013-09-26 19:19, R.S. wrote:

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On 2013-09-26 08:55, acesover wrote:
Let me understand this. You are asking why Islam conflicts with Christianity. You are asking which is correct? Let me ask you this. Which one of those do you subscribe to? Whichever one you pick tell me why that is your choice. If none why are they both wrong?

I assume you know what that verse means. It simply means that they believe Jesus is not the Son of God and therefore they do not believe in the Blessed Trinity. So the only point you brought up is a conflict in two different religious beliefs. I would imagine some people still worship the sun as their god and that sure does not bother me in the least so why should this.

No. I am not asking why Islam conflicts with Christianity. I'd like to understand what process believers use to determine which religion they believe to be the "correct" one, i.e. the one they must abide by in order to make it to Heaven. If beliefs matter, if making it to Heaven depends on accepting Christ as your savior (or not accepting Christ as your savior), then following the "wrong" religion could have dire consequences. Do you agree on this? Or do you think that beliefs don't really matter to God? Remember, not all of the hundreds (actually thousands) of religions could all be right, but they could all be wrong.

PS - Didn't George Carlin do a bit about sun worshippers? Something like, "well at least we KNOW the sun exists"!

Thanks Aces.

Ron

On 2013-09-26 14:32, Dannydoyle wrote:
"You are the only Bible some people are ever going to read." (Favorite point of my fathers.)

As far as I am concerned all the rest of it is just a name above the door. It has nothing to do with what got you where you are and has nothing to do with where you're going.

That is as theological as I get. Pretty simple philosophy. Nice part is it allows for anyone of good character who might not believe exactly as I do to make it into the afterlife.

On 2013-09-28 11:56, mastermindreader wrote:
In an earlier post I mentioned that there were early Christian theologians who believed that truly free will was impossible as long as we were burdened with Original Sin. The idea, I believe, is that until we return to a state of grace, our decisions will be forever governed by our baser natures and, thus, not truly voluntary.

No one here has addressed that directly, but I think it is at least superficially consistent with the genetic component or subconscious aspects of free will.