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irossall Special user Snohomish, Washington 529 Posts |
It seems that Scientific American is in the BS business.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/articl......bad-idea I for one would like to see ALL "Legitimate" Science sources stay out of public opinion or business opinion mode and stick with the Scientific FACTS as they are understood at the time. Let the people decide what they what to do when given the "Facts". This is just one reason that I don't have faith in any organization (even the ones I tend to agree with). I guess I have been very naive to think that somewhere there is a source for facts and facts only. I am very wrong. I can only trust myself with the very few facts at my disposal. My generation used to say "trust no one under thirty" My new motto is: Don't trust anyone but yourself! Iven
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Where's the BS?
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Sad. Scientific American used to be in the forefront of using science to help people.
That article had nothing to do with science and everything to do with a corporate political agenda. Look: even if non-GMOs are not better than GMOs, even if GMOs are the most wonderful health benefit to come to the American people in three centuries, people have a right to know what they're eating, regardless. Period. End of story.
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On 2013-09-21 09:53, landmark wrote: But what information is relevant? If you plant non-GMO corn in your garden, you know nothing about its genetic make-up or history. It is genetically modified by selective breeding; it is most definitely NOT corn as naturally evolved on earth. The important question is that some information should be on our food. The claim of the article is that "GMO or non GMO" is not a useful distinction, any more than "selectively bred" vs. "non-selectively bred". I can see reasons to disagree with the editorial, but it does not strike me as an outrageous position.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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But what information is relevant? If you plant non-GMO corn in your garden, you know nothing about its genetic make-up or history. It is genetically modified by selective breeding; I know that the non-GMO doesn't have DNA from fish, sheep, or bacteria genes. That's very relevant information to me. Conventional hybrids have been evaluated over thousands of years; they also have a self-limiting evolutionary break on the kinds of hybrids that can occur. Conversely, there is no way to know the health or evolutionary consequences of eating GMOs. There will be no way to control the kinds of tinkering that will go inevitably go on. An analogous debate has gone on with bovine growth hormones in milk. The manufacturers in some areas have actually tried to make it illegal to label milk as "free of growth hormone." Again, no matter what you believe scientifically about the issue, how can it possibly be anything but a political agenda to forbid a company from listing what isn't in its product?
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
S2000: I know, "brake."
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
There is no animal DNA in any commercially sold GMO food. That's a myth.
On the other hand, Scientific American is just a magazine, not a peer reviewed journal. It's fun to read but I wouldn't cite it in a paper.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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There is no animal DNA in any commercially sold GMO food. That's a myth. There's no way to know if that's true today; there's no way to know if that's true tomorrow.
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irossall Special user Snohomish, Washington 529 Posts |
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On 2013-09-21 22:42, critter wrote: http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.c......=1505864 There are many more recent stories about animal DNA being infused with plants. I guess these are "myths" as well. Iven
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irossall Special user Snohomish, Washington 529 Posts |
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On 2013-09-21 09:53, landmark wrote: That IS the story! If there is nothing to hide what is the problem with labelling? We have every right to know what we are putting into our bodies (in my opinion). It does not matter if genetically modified food is good or bad, it's a matter of my FREEDOM to be informed about anything that has potential to cause me harm. Secrecy by Industry and Government is not always in our best interest. Scientific American sides with industry by saying that we need no labels because no harm can be found with genetically modified foods. That is opinion not science. All I ask is give me the information (labelling) then let me make up my own mind. We label cigarettes and liquor. We label calories. Let's label genetics as well. Anyone remember how great and safe Bovine Growth Hormone was? Iven
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irossall Special user Snohomish, Washington 529 Posts |
http://www.nationofchange.org/obama-sign......64480289
So safe and pure? Why the need for a new law? What happened to President Obama's PROMISE to make labelling law? If Monsanto has nothing to hide why are they providing themselves protection from the Federal Government? Who made Monsanto more powerful than GOD? Iven
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2013-09-22 08:45, irossall wrote: Did you read the article at your own link? It says: "These are some of the questions arising as genetically engineered foods come closer to being marketed. None are in stores yet" That supports what critter told you, even though it is not quite the same statement. Mind you, the article you cited is from 1992 so it is hardly authoritative today. It certainly does not disprove what critter said, though.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
Guess when you have an agenda to push it's easy to ignore the words "commercially sold." Laboratory testing is another story.
It might be worth noting that the article in question was written soon after the 1991 testing of the "fish tomato" which was never commercially produced. This means at the height of the "FrankenFood" panic, so it made for good headlines. Let me say again: THE "FISH TOMATO" WAS NEVER SOLD TO THE PUBLIC! Look it up. That said, I definitely agree with labelling GMO foods. I just think that using hyperbole and disinformation weakens what I consider to be an otherwise valid argument.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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THE "FISH TOMATO" WAS NEVER SOLD TO THE PUBLIC! Look it up. And I'll say it again: you have no way of knowing that there are no commercial plant products with non-plant genes today, nor do you have any way of knowing that tomorrow. But anyway, it's good that we agree on the need for labelling GMOs.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
There are several ways of knowing, the most important of which is that no patent was applied for after the testing of the "fish tomato." GMO companies patent EVERYTHING so they can sue when someone else uses it. If they were selling it, they'd have a patent. That's the entire point of the business: Plants that can be patented.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On 2013-09-23 00:17, critter wrote: Yes, that's a good point about the patents, although I don't know how detailed those patents have to be. On a related but slightly different note, Monsanto patents the crops not because they think some other companies are going to jump in and create the same genetically modified species, but in order to intimidate and force farmers to buy the seeds anew every year--farmers who use seeds from existing crops are accused of patent infringement and taken to court. This forces farmers into unsustainable practices.
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Great link, Landmark, thanks!
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