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On 2013-09-29 19:23, Lar wrote:
Hi Martin,

I was thinking of using the method for another type of effect.

Just to clarify so there is misunderstanding, from your reply it is indeed possible to place 3 of the cards into a single envelope and know what those 3 cards are. Is that correct?

Lar.


Hi Lar.

I can see a way to work this out, but isn't the preferred scenario honestly.

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On 2013-09-30 06:16, Steve Knight wrote:
Hi Martin,

Zenvelopes looks very similar to Len Belcher's effect "Contact" - free choice of card, examinable envelopes etc. Does Zenvelopes differ greatly from Mr Belcher's version?


Hi Steve. Check your inbox

Before the release of this project, I want to check , if possible, all references. I already contact a few performers and even got permission for one to release this, because in a way "Zenervelope" was similar to a previous publication of his.



I think that this eBook will be ready next week, new news soon Smile




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On 2013-09-29 11:15, Relick666 wrote:
If the envelopes are 100% ungimmicked, I would say it looks interesting! Smile


Andreu.

:firedevil:


100% ungimmicked Smile


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As one of the people who got this as a preview I feel the need to voice my opinions on it.

It is fairly clear that me and Pablo are friends, we send each other effects and discuss ideas all the time. That being said, there are times when we havent seen eye to eye on a method/effect/release whatever. I am happy to say that this is one of the time when we both agree the effect is brilliant.

When I first got this I made up the necessary items required and put it straight into my strolling set. After a few performances I could already see it was going to be a winner.

I use it as a warm up to Blindsight and the switch from me being the star to the spectator being the star is a very nice transition.

Pablo also gives some really nice ideas at the end of the eBook. For $15 you can't really complain!

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On 2013-10-02 12:44, Art Vanderlay wrote:
As one of the people who got this as a preview I feel the need to voice my opinions on it.

It is fairly clear that me and Pablo are friends, we send each other effects and discuss ideas all the time. That being said, there are times when we havent seen eye to eye on a method/effect/release whatever. I am happy to say that this is one of the time when we both agree the effect is brilliant.

When I first got this I made up the necessary items required and put it straight into my strolling set. After a few performances I could already see it was going to be a winner.

I use it as a warm up to Blindsight and the switch from me being the star to the spectator being the star is a very nice transition.

Pablo also gives some really nice ideas at the end of the eBook. For $15 you can't really complain!

Cheers
Art


Thanks Art

As a matter of fact, the price is just $10 on pre-order. The price will rise a little bit after the release, but not much!

The release will be soon, in a couple of days!!


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Just a quick announcement

Tomorrow will be the day!
The release of "Zenervelope Plus" , including and a great contribution from the creative mind of Stephen Young.


Take the opportunity and get this just for $10


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Do you get the ESP cards with this?
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On 2013-10-03 11:21, Jack Straw wrote:
Do you get the ESP cards with this?


Hi Jack.
The product offered is an eBook, explaining the basic concept plus more added ideas.


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My order is in! Looks like a lovely tool
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Tomorrow is nine hours old here, so move your arse Pablo!
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On 2013-10-04 04:17, westo wrote:
Tomorrow is nine hours old here, so move your arse Pablo!



Hahahaha!

All pre-ordered copies are sent!

Now Zenervelope Plus is officially release.

Hope that you enjoy this project.



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I just tried to print it, and I got a "Permission Denied" message.

We aren't able to print a copy?
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On 2013-10-04 09:22, Jack Straw wrote:
I just tried to print it, and I got a "Permission Denied" message.

We aren't able to print a copy?


Pm you Jack Smile


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I pre-ordered Zenvelopes and received it today. Thanks to Amira for releasing this sooner than expected. He's on the ball.

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On 2013-09-27 18:23, Martin Pons wrote:
Here an video demo : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmOBDCYxqoI
This its an small idea you can perform with the principe of ZennerVelope


I purchased Zenervelopes Plus having watched the video demo Martin posted. I imagine other purchasers did too. I was drawn to how clean the effect looked and the hands off nature of the presentation as seen in the demo.

Having read the documentation for Zenervelopes my opinion is that you can't perform the effect as cleanly (i.e Hands off) as shown in the demo. The demo video to me is misleading and I think is a staged performance. I can't say more than that without exposing the method.

In addition there is an element of the method which I feel you cannot use as described without risking exposing the method. It makes me wonder if the author has actually worked Zenervelopes.

I contacted Amira about my concerns regarding the legitimacy of the demo and the practicality of the described method. Amira graciously acknowledged my concerns and offered a full refund which I accepted; I applaud him for doing so.

If you buy Zenervelopes you won't be able to present the effect as cleanly as shown in the video demo.

Having said that, there is some value here. You CAN tweak the presentation to address the issues I found which you will undoubtedly encounter yourself. The effect won't be 'hands off' as shown in the video demo but you'll still have a reasonable and baffling piece of Mentalism.

You'll need some 'Arts and Crafts' skills to make up the bits and bobs you need to perform. You're told what the props need to be but not how to make them. If 'Arts and Crafts' aren't your forte then this effect isn't for you. You'd buy the effect but probably never do the handiwork necessary to perform it.

Michael Murray, Stephen Young and Marc Spellman have all released similar types of effects using this method and they are mentioned in the documentation for Zenervelopes.

Overall: 3/10

Best wishes,
Lar.
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Thanks Lar for your honest comments.
I asked Martin to remove that video. He used that one to sell his own ¨Zenervelope¨product.

I didn't use it for ¨Zenervelope Plus¨for various reasons.


Glad that you still found value on this project.


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I pre-ordered the manuscript and iam also not happy with my purchase as I already worked spelmanns idea with succees.
You should at least offer a way for people on how to construct the necessary things to perform this. (for those who don't know)
Or show a link where to get those things. The review of Lar was very honest and clear (much appreciated)!
Unfortunately I saw the video before it and acted too quickly. Thanks for taking it down Amira.

If you don't know the method iam sure you will have fun with it as it is very versatile and fooling.
If the names giving by Lar ring a bell: step back and save your money.
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Hi Artin


Something that I want to make clear that this principle was used before for other authors, but for different uses. Martin came up with this method independently and when we decide to work together for "Zenervelope Plus" , I did proper investigation.
I contact Marc and others.

The thing is: Read the blurb. If you feek that you don't know a way to do what is presented on there, you will get a nice and workable solution.

Now, If you consider necessary a more in depth explanation of the proper things that you need, without any problem I will record a video showing step-by-step all the workings.

I will record it this week Smile


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I decide to offer full refund to anyone who purchase "Zenervelope Plus", watching the video that Martin post on here.
That video isn't part of this release.


Hope that this can solve any missunderstanding.


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SORRY FOR THE BAD UNDERSTOOD but it was not my intension to mislead anyone only showed you an idea of ​​presentation as I said earlier in the post, however the attitude of "LAR" achieving its mission stayed with the book and remanded him money, quie were you looking for from the start.
If you do not like the effect ten DO NOT BUY, I do not force anyone to buy anything.
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For these reasons I have decided to remove the video, as it can present to confusion and my intention was never to mislead anyone, I apologize sincerely to those who have felt cheated.
On the other hand I felt cheated in my regret by LAR.
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Criticism is very easy from a little constructive
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