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NeilS Inner circle 3225 Posts |
This sounds a bit like contact mind reading. The more you use it, the better you get at it. I am looking forward to learning about Cog and particularly other ways the concept can be used.
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magiclarsen New user Orlando 29 Posts |
I ordered mine from Ben directly. Hopefully I can get on the Facebook group. Trying to email him. Haven't heard back yet. So excited to get this!
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BrandonWilliams Loyal user 246 Posts |
Cog is a fantastic concept. I've had nothing but success with it since my purchase from Ben. However, I'm weary about ellusionist selling this. Those of us that purchased sight unseen were told that there would only be 250 printed copies. Does this still hold true? I'm purely speculating, but I doubt that "E" would limit their investment to less than 250 sales.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
Why are the people who buy from E being excluded?
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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ahofer New user Ossining, New York 92 Posts |
FYI, I just got mine today (from Ellusionist), and when I ordered I emailed Ben Seward about the Facebook group, and he immediately replied, and assured me that he would answer any questions directly if I email him again.
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Unfortunately the private group was set up for the first edition only. The ellusionist edition might have its own forum they haven't decided yet. The forum was only to allow people to help each other by discussing the methods more openly than a public forum would allow. If you have any questions about the book I would be more than happy to help. I consider that great customer service ...and now to dive into the book and see what this is about. |
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reignofsound Inner circle Glasgow, UK 2199 Posts |
Any way to get this now?
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Dan McLean Inner circle Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur 1261 Posts |
I believe Ben is still selling copies. I ordered mine last week and he emailed me the next day that it's on its way.
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Pasteboard Alchemist Special user 502 Posts |
According to his site, Ben appears to now be sold out of his original limited run.
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carlwag Special user Huddersfield ,West yorkshire 747 Posts |
All sold out from Ben he emailed me to confirm this yesterday
Regards Carl |
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Ken Lam New user 100 Posts |
Any chance of a reprint?
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magiclarsen New user Orlando 29 Posts |
Hopefully I'll be receiving my copy today or tomorrow. Anyone who ordered directly from Ben that is in the US, how long did it take you to get yours?
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DynaMix Inner circle 1148 Posts |
I have not been able to hit with this at all...I have to try more and build more confidence.
The vid itself was a bit discouraging...several of the techniques in the book don't even happen in the video, things that are central to the method according to the book. Gotta keep at it. |
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Atlas Inner circle 3103 1277 Posts |
I really like a lot of the concepts in this, and the fact that it encourages you to learn to read people and situations will, I believe, draw out the best in you as a performer.
Best, Atlas |
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Pasteboard Alchemist Special user 502 Posts |
Keep at it--it does work wonderfully. Approaching this with no fear of failure is a huge help. If that means you need to have outs ready to have that sense of security, there's no shame in that. But, in the end, just fearlessly throwing everything you have into it had (for me, at least, YMMV) the resulting effect of the techniques actually working better. Nobody is going to string you up if you're wrong (in fact, I believe there's a provided "out" of using a full-on miss as a positive segue into another effect.)
All the "go for it!" cheers aside, if you're not even hitting with the first technique, then I think I could take a good guess at the culprit. If you bought the book directly from Ben and are part of the FB group, post there and I (and others that know far more than I) will give you any help you need. Quote:
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insight Inner circle 3095 Posts |
One of the reasons why this is so special is that not everyone will try this. Those that fear failure will definitely stay away from this technique. And for those that use it, it will be that much more powerful.
Regards, Mike |
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Peter_turner V.I.P. Bradford, West Yorkshire 1355 Posts |
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On 2014-01-23 16:18, DynaMix wrote: The great thing about the book is Ben outlines lots of different ways to do this I have been using these techniques for a long time I have written several pieces in the past using this principle. Every thing used in the video is in the book, I have done this for so long I don't really have to think about it as I know what I am looking for. When I offered earlier in this thread to film the video, I cherry picked the techniques I would use from the book. To put all the principles outlined in the book into the video is not only time consuming, it's not necessary as there is so many ways offered to achieve the effect outlined in the book. Not only that the people who bought the book would be complaining that there was too much filmed and wonder why they bought the book. I picked the techniques from within the book that I believe were the most streamlined. To be fair and honest this is NOT how I would perform Cog (how I did in the demo), if I had put my spin on this and presented it the way I would usually present material people would have complained that my presentation wasn't in the book. I performed it the fastest and most streamlined way I could to show how amazingly simple this piece can be. It just takes a little practice but with the right patience it can be used for a multitude of things Pete x |
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mikelsc Regular user 139 Posts |
I received the book a couple of days ago. It's a really small book but written clearly.
I would say these sorts of technique wouldn't make much sense to be used to discern a thought of card. It's a might be a good thought of card trick done between effects or very casually. But there are so many thought of card plots out there that are much quicker and stronger. However, these things would kill if put into a reading situation. It would kill. I could imagine people scream already. The value of the book lies beyond the book. A good read. Best, Mike |
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Joshua Quinn Inner circle with an outer triangle 2054 Posts |
My thoughts are similar to Mike's. These are powerful techniques which, personally, I would never use to divine a playing card -- not because they don't work, but because I simply don't like divining playing cards; if I'm going to read someone's thoughts, I feel there are more interesting thoughts to read. Fortunately these ideas are applicable far beyond that plot. I'm very happy with this purchase, and it's something I'll be studying and thinking about for a while.
Every problem contains the seeds of its own solution. Unfortunately every problem also contains the seeds of an infinite number of non-solutions, so that first part really isn't super helpful.
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4187 Posts |
I'm with Mike and Joshua, if tried it as in the book as part of the learning process and had a good hit rate but this is wasted on a card trick and I have other direct and sure fire methods for divining a thought of card. However the applications for this are as endless as they are powerful.
This has even massively improved my hit rate on prevaricator (those who have both will understand why). I now know who is lying before I have even asked a question around 85-90% of the time and I can even throw in heads or tails without the use of electronics with a pretty high hit rate. This was money well spent even though I will rarely (if ever) perform the effect as detailed in the book. Mark |
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Jacob Smith Inner circle Columbus, OH 1871 Posts |
Hey all, is this still available? I've been working on some reverse engineering stuff to get a similar effect, but really want a copy to see the techniques Ben and Pete have both came up with.
Best Wishes, -Jacob |
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