On Sep 4, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote:
Yes very team oriented you are.

Can you make a single post without name calling?

Let me guess. That is everyone else's fault right?

And I find it incredibly hard to imagine you changing your mind. But if you are serious stopping name calling might be a start. For both sides that is.

On Aug 30, 2016, RNK wrote:

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On Aug 30, 2016, danaruns wrote:

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On Aug 30, 2016, RNK wrote:
And in my experience people who have zero understanding of scientific process's are people who are simply followers that only listen to the mainstream media and scientists who are fed grants from the government like a heard of sheep that cannot make a decision on their own and follow their political position and lack of faith. And it's not entirely your fault since you have no formal education and understanding of science.

Let's be clear, here:

1. I have not trotted out my bona fides regarding my scientific knowledge (if any), so you're merely farting into the wind on that assumption.

2. No matter what my qualifications, it would still not change your opinion, so it's futile to get into a "measuring contest." (Such a guy thing.)

3. Your science background is meaningless in this discussion, because you are not a climatologist. While you may understand general scientific principles, you do not understand what climatologists do. As a scientist, I might be a great physicist, but have no deep understanding of chemistry, except for basic principles that overlap into my discipline. And while you might have a deep understanding of chemical processes, you could not hang with me in a discussion of wave diffraction and condensed matter. Neither of us, nor anyone here, is a climatologist. So quit trotting out your science credentials, as they are meaningless in this discussion. What you are doing is a logical fallacy called an "appeal to authority," which basically says, "I know more than you, so I'm right and you're wrong."

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So in agreement- you are correct that believers who are aligned to a certain political side will never change their minds regardless of facts that are found to be contradicted (which there have been many cases and manipulated hockey puck graphs to give one example), many end of the world predictions along with animal extinction predictions that have not come true that were intended to scare the less informed who have no understanding of the real science.

Again:

1. Some of us (particularly in the political middle and middle-left) adjust our politics based on evidence, and are more than willing to fashion our politics to match the facts; while others, such as yourself, seem to want to fashion the facts to fit your politics.

2. Your statement about predictions is untrue and is used in another logical fallacy. Many such predictions have come true; many have not come true because the warnings were heeded and changes were made (e.g., DDT); many were overtaken by technology but would have come true absent such advances. You offer no evidence to support your statement that these unnamed predictions were made without regard to their truth (or with knowing falsity) for the purpose of frightening "the less informed." So, again, you argue a logical fallacy. You state a false fact and then argue that because some predictions (which were merely intended to frighten) did not come true, climate predictions are not true. That may or may not be the case, but it does not follow from your logical fallacy.

1). Um, Yea. Sure. Based on evidence. Evidfence that you don't even understand. Ok.

2)Read below: and this is just the tip of the iceburg (no pun intended)



Ten years after Al Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" guilt/fear producing predictions, let's close by examining just how accurate his "science" proved to be on his way to the bank.

1. Rising Sea Levels—inaccurate and misleading. Al was even discovered purchasing a beachfront mansion!

2. Increased Tornadoes—declining for decades.

3. New Ice Age in Europe—they've been spared; it never happened.

4. South Sahara Drying Up—completely untrue.

5. Massive Flooding in China and India—again, didn't happen.

6. Melting Arctic—false—2015 represents the largest refreezing in years.

7. Polar Bear Extinction—actually they are increasing!

8. Temperature Increases Due to CO2—no significant rising for over 18 years

9. Katrina a Foreshadow of the Future—false—past 10 years, no F3 hurricanes; "longest drought ever!"

10. The Earth Would be in a "True Planetary Emergency" Within a Decade Unless Drastic Action Taken to Reduce Greenhouse Gasses—never happened.

A while back, the Washington Post stated in an expose that, "Al Gore has thrived as a green-tech investor." Coincidental?



In conclusion: MANY failed predictions! Take your political agenda elsewhere Danaruns.

On Sep 5, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote:
So you popped in to attack a source, and attack RNK, but not offer productive conversation? Yes that was really important.

Does this mean the list is somehow flawed? If so then tell me how. But attacking the source just to do so according to many you agree worry process you have no point.

On Sep 5, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote:
So you popped in to attack a source, and attack RNK, but not offer productive conversation? Yes that was really important.

Does this mean the list is somehow flawed? If so then tell me how. But attacking the source just to do so according to many you agree worry process you have no point.

On Sep 2, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote:
The questions that are pertinent are the following
1) What do you propose to do?
2) What will it cost to implement?
3) What will be the benefit of doing so?

Nobody wants to answer these simple questions.

On Sep 5, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote:
I think electric cars are the first step. A darn good first step. Used to be they got 3 miles. Now the Tesla goes well over 200 without charging. Using solar power is a good step. These technologies exist.

Heck I lived in a part of the country that didn't recycle! Crazy.

Hybrid car tech is another great step. Propane cars are used in the Dominican Republic and many busses use them.

Simple easy to reach goals that are progress. Keep moving tech forward. That will be the biggest thing we can do PLUS we get rid of oil barrons in power all over the world.

We can stop drilling and fraking and move forward with renewable energy.

Let's get rid of that island of plastic in the ocean. It doesn't belong.

Let's make the penalties HUGE for those caught polluting our rivers and lakes. If we all just leave this planet a little cleaner than we found it and teach our children to do the same it will all work itself out. Why should we be the first generation that doesn't progress in technology? Being stuck in the internal combustion engine is silly. Elon Musk is on the right track.

Look at all the energy efficient ways to heat and cool and do all those things in your house now. They save you money long term and help the planet. Recycled building materials, energy efficient appliances and all that help little by little. We need to make small attainable goals. We have made so many advancements in tech and we need to apply it to energy.

All of that said without attacking anyone or trying to scare people.

Your turn. Of course unless all you have is attacking me and pretending you are the smartest in the room.

On Sep 5, 2016, danaruns wrote:
... great post, right up until your last sentence. Couldn't resist, though, could you? It's your "thing," ...