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On Jun 9, 2017, tommy wrote: Tommy, are you a doctor? Then how do you know what a doctor is? Are you an auto mechanic? Then how do you know what an auto mechanic is? Are you a math professor? Then how do you know what a math professor is? Are you an astronaut? Then how do you know what an astronaut is? One doesn't necessarily have to BE something in order to know what that something is. I would think that the longstanding and prestigious organizations I listed carry some cachet in regards to their conclusions about the climate. If you have more and BETTER sources than those I listed, please let us know. Thanks. Ron
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On Jun 9, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote: I doubt it. In regards to Anthony Watts, the blogger you linked to: https://www.desmogblog.com/anthony-watts Quote:
Anthony Watts is a former television meteorologist best known as the founder and editor of the blog Watts Up With That (WUWT), which primarily publishes articles attacking climate change science and spreading misinformation. [1] What's odd Danny, is that you claim to believe in human induced climate change, yet you post like a denier. So, just like the page you posted to, "what's up with that"? Ron
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On Jun 9, 2017, rockwall wrote: The key word is "denier". Thanks Rockwall. Ron
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On Jun 9, 2017, The Hermit wrote: 1981 Climate Change Predictions Were Eerily Accurate https://www.universetoday.com/94468/1981......ccurate/ and, How reliable are climate models? What the science says... https://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-models.htm Ron
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On Jun 10, 2017, R.S. wrote: More attacking the messenger huh? Dunt dispute what he I said just attack him. This is always the first clue I have to know he is right. There is a long field between knowing science and falling fir the bs you spout I am sorry to tell you. I can think the climate change and man can cause it and not believe in lock step doomsday scenarios. Again it is simply use as a method to push ideology that can't win at the ballot box.
Danny Doyle
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3171 Posts
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Ron, out of all those groups you listed, how many actually measured the climate condition from lets say a thousand or ten thousand years ago? Or do they just use the numbers they get from a small handful of people? To me that is what’s so scary about science; reports that use numbers from other reports are really useless.
Tom
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On Jun 10, 2017, TomBoleware wrote: Have you read any of the reports before deciding what's "scary"? That's what's scary about populist politics. People who have no clue about the data and science are encouraged to have strong opinions and then vote for candidates who also have no clue about the data and the science.
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3171 Posts
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Some do share numbers and that’s why I’m ASKING do they all do that?
But no, I would never vote for a scientist. Tom
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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I was not talking about “continental drift” nor “seasons” both of which are Ed’s terms and misinterpretations attributed to me, none of which I said.
Because of the Earth’s orbit and wobble, the continents are ever-moving in relation to the Sun, as are all things of Earth. As a result, we have an ever-changing climate, wherein we have ever-changing ice ages and warm ages. Therefore, then, after an ice age for a long time, we get Global Warming. –which is an altogether different thing than continental drift, which is movements in relation to each other, due to the inner heat of the Earth but that does also have its effects. The issue anyhow before us is if mankind is trapping the Sun's heat and causing catastrophic greenhouse effects from burning too much stuff. “Catastrophic greenhouse effects” from burning too much stuff are not now merely global warming but 101 other things according to the believers. If the Earth went into an ice tomorrow then the believers would call it climate change and blame mankind for it.
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts
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On Jun 10, 2017, TomBoleware wrote: Why not?
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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Ron, if you are going to answer a question with a question then kindly do so on the answer a question with a question thread.
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On Jun 10, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote: Why would you favor the opinion of some blogger who admits that he is "not a degreed climate scientist” over the conclusions of the organizations I listed? And what "bs" am I spouting exactly? I thought we agreed that human induced climate change is a real thing. Now it's "bs"??? And who's talking about "ideology at the ballot box"? Please, get a hold of yourself. Ron
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2889 Posts
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On Jun 10, 2017, tommy wrote: My apologies then for misunderstanding your obscure references. I do understand that climate varies, extreme variations appear to have outside influences. One year in the 1800's was referred to as "The Year Without A Summer" the general weather being so bad. It wasn't until years later that someone put two and two together and realize that that local problem was actually caused by the eruption of Krakatoa (which apparently is WEST of Java, not East. I don't know why they got it wrong.) The thing being, that kind of interference is short lived and passes, our interference with the atmosphere is on going .
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts
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Ok what solution do you propose SPECIFICALLY Ron?
Danny Doyle
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On Jun 10, 2017, TomBoleware wrote: How many would it take to convince you? If your requirement was met, would you then accept that human induced climate change is real? Anyway, these links explain how past climate is measured... https://www.scienceabc.com/eyeopeners/ho......ago.html http://io9.gizmodo.com/how-do-scientists......14597561 https://www.windows2universe.org/?page=/......ate.html https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/schmidt_01/ https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/news/how-do-sc......climates https://scholarsandrogues.com/2012/01/28......old-air/ So you think science is scary? And that reports that might use numbers from other reports are "useless"? If that's true, then our whole education system, which is primarily based on the reporting of facts obtained and handed down from other "reports", is useless. Does that make sense? And by the way, science is a process. It's not a menu of static, never-changing facts. I'm not sure you fully understand this important point. Ron
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On Jun 10, 2017, NYCTwister wrote: Yes... why not?? Ron
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts
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Your religious fervour is funny to watch.
Danny Doyle
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts
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Science to further politics is scary.
Danny Doyle
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On Jun 10, 2017, tommy wrote: Tommy, the question was answered. Ron
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On Jun 10, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote: Great Danny - that's a valid question! I DON'T propose a solution. I don't think there is an easy solution. I know that it's complicated. I'm still forming my opinion on the best approach. BUT... we can't even begin to talk about solutions until there is agreement that climate change is a real thing! And THAT has been my only motivation for my posts. I hope that clears things up. Ron
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