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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
What us your solution Ron?
Danny Doyle
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
Http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environ......rams?amp
Setting aside the issue of the viability of govt programs in general, CC, and any left versus right considerations, would anyone care to guess which sector donated the most recently? How is this not a punch in the face? It's like they're not even trying to pretend anymore.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On Jan 31, 2018, R.S. wrote: not making their case in general - see theory of evolution, big bang theory ... cure the common cold? how's the weather there?
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Jan 31, 2018, Dannydoyle wrote: Why do you keep asking a question that I've already given an answer to? Do you accept the scientific consensus that AGW is occurring? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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RNK Inner circle 7493 Posts |
There is no REAL consensus Ron. There is a TON of corruption and greed which try to lead people to believe there is a consensus. If there was that much of a consensus, something would have been instituted by now.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On Feb 1, 2018, R.S. wrote: Is a politically correct topic for getting research papers published these days next?
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Feb 1, 2018, RNK wrote: To be fair, do you agree that the corruption (bribery) exists on both sides? The entrenched interests, oil/gas/coal, have deep enough pockets to find scientists willing to come to whatever conclusion they want. There is credulity on both sides - people willing to accept whatever a scientist says, because they are an authority figure. The link I posted above, regarding the proposed seventy two percent cuts to renewables, speaks to bribery by the fossil fuel interests; as does the appointment of the EPA head, which, to me, represents a massive conflict of interests since he has ongoing lawsuits against the very agency he represents. Try it from a different viewpoint. Do you think fossil fuels cause/have caused real damage through pollution, and does that need to be addressed NOW?
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On Feb 1, 2018, NYCTwister wrote: Invested money expects returns.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On Jan 31, 2018, NYCTwister wrote: Can't get enough of it. Here's a sympathetic note from elsewhere* Quote:
This is close to a bumper-sticker philosophy I’ve been chewing on for a while: technology and economics both presumably exist to ease our existence, to accommodate humanity. The moment humanity is expected to change to better accommodate the economy or the tech, we’ve taken a wrong turn somewhere. *(rifters - recent thread)
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Feb 1, 2018, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Which opens another can of worms - Should objective moral considerations enter into investments/banking? At the beginning of the industrial revolution it was a "not so much" kind of thing. Now it has to be considered, imo. The money to be made can't/shouldn't override the OBJECTIVE greater good. Now they're fighting to run pipelines through national forest lands, the poisoning of the water in Flint has been swept under the table, the rest of the world is running ahead of us while we long for the dark ages, etc. etc. etc. As I've said, the center cannot hold. Ymmv.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Feb 1, 2018, R.S. wrote: You have not answered this at all.
Danny Doyle
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On Feb 1, 2018, NYCTwister wrote: Add the presupposition that "good" is measured in dollars - which is an absolute moral consideration. The cost of environmental remediation/restoration has been traditionally "externalized" in dollar value return on investment accounting. We have this notion from ancient Rome that "money has no smell". Okay - now try pushing on that lever.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On Jan 30, 2018, R.S. wrote: If you recall Galileo - science is about clear reasoning and observation rather than opinion or consensus. Since we have only one world to explore it's unlikely we will get any replication data about climate on Earth. We're discussing how to interpret a barrage of prestige science data product attached to known large economic/political interests. Dialog about belief in dogma/product is distracting from practical questions about public expense and attaching costs to environmental responsibility.
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
Sure, just let me put my quarter in the machine first.
I'll just say that dollars are just one consideration, so not so absolute. If by externalized you mean passed on to non investors, then that just needs to change; or the behavior never will. By now you should realize that I don't give a dammn about traditions. And I don't know any Romans.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On Feb 1, 2018, NYCTwister wrote: our abstracted store of value used for trading something for something. Perhaps not absolute but the idea depends upon small scale constancy between places and over time - market tokens today and stored reserve of value for tomorrow. Let's say locally invariant in the marketplace. Quote:
just one consideration, so not so absolute consideration of expense, cost, value... and to whom? We don't talk much about ecological/entropy costing. How much to make it look it did in this picture?
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Feb 1, 2018, RNK wrote: There may not be a consensus among lay people, but there is indeed consensus among scientists. https://skepticalscience.com/global-warm......iate.htm Do you believe there is a TON of corruption and greed which try to lead people to believe there is NO consensus? Again, do you think the list of scientific bodies I posted are credible organizations? Or do you think they are ALL involved in some nefarious conspiracy? Which prestigious 200 organizations would YOU have to see in order to accept AGW? If the Koch brothers funded a study of climate change, would you accept those conclusions? Do you think "industrial processes" (C02) have ANY effect on our atmosphere? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Feb 1, 2018, Dannydoyle wrote: I did. But just because I didn't give the answer you wanted to hear doesn't mean I didn't answer it. Do you accept the scientific consensus that AGW is occurring? (Yes, no, maybe, I don't know? Any of those would be an answer. But you have completely evaded the question) Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Feb 1, 2018, Jonathan Townsend wrote: The full context of what I said... "Consensus (in the form of replication) is indeed an important part of the scientific process." in response to Danny's statement that "Science is not done by consensus." Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Feb 1, 2018, R.S. wrote: I'm done playing silly manipulative word games. Do you have a solution you endorse yes or no? If so what is it? What will it cost and what will the net benefit be? These are the real questions you never answer.
Danny Doyle
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Quote: That's the grammar we find in a demand to affirm some article of faith rather than science. Proceeding to argue from prestige of publication rather than reason and data does not further rational argument for *, but instead elicits a reference to older and more prestigious books. Then the word "denial" gets used as a paintbrush to color others with toxicity from last century. Argument from authority (out of context too) and then ad-hominem threats. A trifecta in faulty rhetoric.
Do you accept the scientific consensus that *? Public funding of science research is a matter of priorities - a political choice. Anyway, what would you like to see funded and explored by engineers and scientists?
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