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Who is the "them" hurt by hearing the truth?
https://theintercept.com/2018/06/02/real......ituency/
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On Jun 21, 2018, rockwall wrote:
I'm going to have to disagree with Danny on this one. If NYC thinks his juvenile taunts hurt someone, it's probably because he has a much higher opinion of himself than he deserves. I actually would encourage him to continue with the silly name calling, and childish posts. If nothing else it helps to clearly illustrate who he really is.


I have to admit this is a good point.
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I'm going to have to disagree with Danny on this one. If NYC thinks his juvenile taunts hurt someone, it's probably because he has a much higher opinion of himself than he deserves. I actually would encourage him to continue with the silly name calling, and childish posts. If nothing else it helps to clearly illustrate who he really is.


My opinion of myself isn't the point, you just bring it up to deflect like a good little puppet.

My opinion of you is MY point and it's accurate; but somehow your being a OWCFTG is my fault?

I've got to admit - you've learned your lessons well. Your new lord and master would be proud. Smile
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On Jun 21, 2018, Dannydoyle wrote:
It certainly seems to upset you.


It upsets me when people with the same privileges, spewing the same despicable nonsense, with invariably with the same corrupt moral base have the power to effect change; but that doesn't apply to those here.

The Truppets here are just suckers. Sadly they think he thinks they're special; but they're not.

They're just next.
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You defend every b.s. claim made. Come on be honest about it. You have a political leaning that you throw into all your scientific beliefs.

And the tactic of misquoting me won't work. I never said science was stupid. Nice try. Like I said can't we try honesty just once from you?


What “b.s.” claims have I ever defended? Are you implying that climate change/AGW is b.s.? (and you still haven’t answered my question… do you deny that AGW is occurring?)

What are my “scientific” beliefs that you’re referring to, Danny? To clarify, I don’t have a menu of “scientific” beliefs, per se. I try to hold beliefs for good, sound reasons. And if it turns out that science supports them, so much the better. If it turns out that an issue is complicated and requires the resources of a community of specialized scientists to research, then I will defer to their studied conclusions (who would I be to disagree??). And if it turns out that one political party accepts the science on an issue and one party doesn’t, then I will be in agreement with the party that defers to science ON THAT ONE PARTICULAR ISSUE. I think that's the way to go, don't you?

I posted a link to an article that quotes scientists and links to scientific studies in order to give a scientific answer to your question. Your response was “how stupid”. It’s therefore not a stretch to infer that you don’t have much respect for the science. Or do you? Do you accept the current scientific consensus that AGW is occurring, Danny? How about some honesty... from YOU!

Ron
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You regularly deflect questions with other questions and demands for answers. It is divot not worth talking with you.
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...Each country must alter it's laws so that it's in the companies financial self interest to do things in the least damaging way - if at all.
...


Least damaging to their wealthy financiers quarterly bottom line? Or what? Says who? Or as another Café member might post it: Introducing O. M. A. C.

The plot of "Rule 34" is starting to look almost ecological...if you don't mind broken allegories and a huge risk of... Smile

*comic nobrainer version - the plot of the comicbook was the UN launched a superman to thwart corporate/tycoon/threats. http://www.writeups.org/omac-dc-comics-j......version/
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You regularly deflect questions with other questions and demands for answers. It is divot not worth talking with you.


Do you have examples of all these questions that I have deflected?

Do you deny that AGW is occurring?

Ron
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There is NO direct connection between the CO2 level and Global Warming .... Just because it's called a Greenhouse Gas does not mean it makes the temperatures rise ... Check any graph comparing the temperature and Co2 level... There is virtually no predictable relationship. Smile The sun heats the earth .. always has... Smile
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There it is folks.

The final word from THE expert on gas.
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...Each country must alter it's laws so that it's in the companies financial self interest to do things in the least damaging way - if at all.
...


Least damaging to their wealthy financiers quarterly bottom line?


Yes, by speaking their language and making whatever it is unappealing financially.

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Or what?


If profit equals x, then you pay x plus whatever it takes for you to need to think twice about sitting down.

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Says who?


Objective justice.

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Or as another Café member might post it: Introducing O. M. A. C.

The plot of "Rule 34" is starting to look almost ecological...if you don't mind broken allegories and a huge risk of... Smile

*comic nobrainer version - the plot of the comicbook was the UN launched a superman to thwart corporate/tycoon/threats. http://www.writeups.org/omac-dc-comics-j......version/


There you go again - down a rabbit hole. I only have 24 hours in each day Jonathan.
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On Jun 22, 2018, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
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On Jun 12, 2018, NYCTwister wrote:
...Each country must alter it's laws so that it's in the companies financial self interest to do things in the least damaging way - if at all.
...


Least damaging to their wealthy financiers quarterly bottom line?


Yes, by speaking their language and making whatever it is unappealing financially.

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Or what?


If profit equals x, then you pay x plus whatever it takes for you to need to think twice about sitting down.

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Says who?


Objective justice...
That reads as a process which requires accurate information (about resources and costs) and the ability to enforce against habits of "privilege" and "grandfathered" rights. How do you propose that information be collected and made available - and to who?
What level of error would you condone for such a process?
So far the stories I've read on that subject have gone the way of human nature disposing of such systems (for examples; The Circle and this year's Gnomon: A Novel) rather than objective values - or changing what human is.
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This guy DESTROYS NASA's predictions from 1988 .....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2u_TIWPupw

The sun heats the earth ... always has.... Smile Smile Smile Smile
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The sun heats the earth ... always has.


Take THAT, all you sun deniers.
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That reads as a process which requires accurate information (about resources and costs) and the ability to enforce against habits of "privilege" and "grandfathered" rights. How do you propose that information be collected and made available - and to who?
What level of error would you condone for such a process?


How different are these requirements from just about any other kind of international trade agreement? There are long-standing "good enough" structures in place, already in use, used for centuries, which admittedly can be made better. Not a reason to dismiss such proposals out of hand, whether one agrees with them or not.
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This guy DESTROYS NASA's predictions from 1988 .....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2u_TIWPupw

The sun heats the earth ... always has.... Smile Smile Smile Smile



About Tony Heller (or is it "Steven Godard"??). He's a birther and a blogger with no background in climate science:


https://climatecrocks.com/tag/steven-goddard/

https://tamino.wordpress.com/2017/01/01/......now-job/

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2014/0......b/199871


Anyway, is NASA a credible source of information or not? You have used NASA before as a source of credibility (p. 220 of this thread for one example). You can't have it both ways. So which is it?

Ron
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So you attack the source and not what he is saying. Is this one of those times that is good? I can never keep track.
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According to that interesting article, the Eisenhower warning against the scientific establishment had a very specific context:

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The science adviser at the time, eminent chemist George Kistiakowsky, said in a later interview with Greenberg that when he questioned Eisenhower about the remarks, the president tried to distinguish between academic research, which he supported, and expanding research by industry and others with military implications that he felt was dangerous.


Eisenhower trusted the academics; distrusted industry and the military.
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He distrusted government sponsored research. He warned against a military industrial complex and whoooo was he right.

It was also many years prior to what is happening now.
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