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So best guess. Got it.


Same way we build cars, rockets, and computers. Same way we do surgery or treat cancer. Same way we manage water and sewage.

Yes. We ALWAYS use the best information we have, and are prepared to change course in light of new info.
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Only difference is a political agenda is not involved with those other things.
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Only difference is a political agenda is not involved with those other things.


Then look behind the agendas at the science.
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It is not the science. It is those who pervert it to push an agenda.
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It is not the science. It is those who pervert it to push an agenda.


And those who deny it to push an agenda.

We've got 31 pages to show for the politics.
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On Sep 22, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
So best guess. Got it.


Same way we build cars, rockets, and computers. Same way we do surgery or treat cancer. Same way we manage water and sewage.

Yes. We ALWAYS use the best information we have, and are prepared to change course in light of new info.


Bad scientific analogy and here is why:

When talking about building things or managing things, water and sewage, is a whole different ball of wax as compared to collecting/using temperature data. I.E.- after connecting two wires we KNOW the car will start. That's a fact. But the accuracy and precision of the data in measuring temperature greater than 100 years ago is not a fact but a theory/hypothesis, scientists best guess. These are entirely different scenarios.
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It is not the science. It is those who pervert it to push an agenda.


And those who deny it to push an agenda.

We've got 31 pages to show for the politics.


Denial, is sort of a perversion in my view.
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So best guess. Got it.


Same way we build cars, rockets, and computers. Same way we do surgery or treat cancer. Same way we manage water and sewage.

Yes. We ALWAYS use the best information we have, and are prepared to change course in light of new info.


Bad scientific analogy and here is why:

When talking about building things or managing things, water and sewage, is a whole different ball of wax as compared to collecting/using temperature data. I.E.- after connecting two wires we KNOW the car will start. That's a fact. But the accuracy and precision of the data in measuring temperature greater than 100 years ago is not a fact but a theory/hypothesis, scientists best guess. These are entirely different scenarios.


Of course it is different.
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Another prediction fizzles.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energ......planned/
"For Pope Francis’s D.C. visit, environmental rally of up to 200K planned"

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/09......webfeeds
"Pope’s Visit To D.C. Inspires Hundreds To Rally For Climate Justice"

Nearly as accurate as the climate models predictions of warming for the last decade and a half.
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So best guess. Got it.


Same way we build cars, rockets, and computers. Same way we do surgery or treat cancer. Same way we manage water and sewage.

Yes. We ALWAYS use the best information we have, and are prepared to change course in light of new info.


Bad scientific analogy and here is why:

When talking about building things or managing things, water and sewage, is a whole different ball of wax as compared to collecting/using temperature data. I.E.- after connecting two wires we KNOW the car will start. That's a fact. But the accuracy and precision of the data in measuring temperature greater than 100 years ago is not a fact but a theory/hypothesis, scientists best guess. These are entirely different scenarios.


Of course it is different.



LOL "It's different" is not much of an argument.

We are dealing with theory, measurement and analysis, just like with any other science. AGW is like evolutionary theory in that a large number of know-nothings plug their ears and run around shouting that it's bad science because it interferes with their most deeply held convictions.

Plug your ears all you want. The science is good, and every competent scientist knows it.
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Now name calling? Nice.

I did not say anything about the science. I thought your analogy was pretty lame and just wrong.
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It's not an analogy: it's a list of scientific disciplines. Each has the same strengths and weaknesses inherent to science. Medicine and space flight deal with incomplete data, imperfect theories, established theories and laws, partial models and so on. So does climate science.

Yet, the armchair critics want to jump up and down and scream that because climate science has incomplete data, partial models and imperfect theories it somehow doesn't meet the thresholds of other sciences. It's complete BS. And it's tiresome.
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We are dealing with theory, measurement and analysis, just like with any other science. AGW is like evolutionary theory in that a large number of know-nothings plug their ears and run around shouting that it's bad science because it interferes with their most deeply held convictions.

Plug your ears all you want. The science is good, and every competent scientist knows it.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sc......_warming

Here are some lists of scientists who 1. question the accuracy of IPCC climate projections, 2. argue that global warming is primarily caused by natural processes, 3. argue that the cause of global warming is unknown, or 4. argue that global warming will have few negative consequences

I dare say that probably every scientist on this list knows more about the science than you do and maybe it's you running around while plugging your ears.

But you're right about one thing. It does it tiring.
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So best guess. Got it.


Same way we build cars, rockets, and computers. Same way we do surgery or treat cancer. Same way we manage water and sewage.

Yes. We ALWAYS use the best information we have, and are prepared to change course in light of new info.


Bad scientific analogy and here is why:

When talking about building things or managing things, water and sewage, is a whole different ball of wax as compared to collecting/using temperature data. I.E.- after connecting two wires we KNOW the car will start. That's a fact. But the accuracy and precision of the data in measuring temperature greater than 100 years ago is not a fact but a theory/hypothesis, scientists best guess. These are entirely different scenarios.


Of course it is different.



LOL "It's different" is not much of an argument.

We are dealing with theory, measurement and analysis, just like with any other science. AGW is like evolutionary theory in that a large number of know-nothings plug their ears and run around shouting that it's bad science because it interferes with their most deeply held convictions.

Plug your ears all you want. The science is good, and every competent scientist knows it.



EVERY competent scientist knows it? Wow. Bold statement, so personally you KNOW EVERY competent scientist! Wow.

Funny, being a scientist myself, I know many scientists/college professors who don't believe in GW. But I must just not know better even though I converse with scientists everyday.
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Of coarse, I know better than to say I know EVERY compitent scientist and speak for them on what they believe.
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Of coarse, I know better than to say I know EVERY compitent scientist and speak for them on what they believe.
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I'm making a statistical case--that's science. I'll settle for the 97% of climate scientists.
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And what exactly do 97% of scientists agree on?

1. That global warming is happening?

2. That the primary cause is manmade?

3. That the effects will be catostrophic?

4. That the projections of how much global warming there will be are accurate?

5. That we can expect millions of climate refugees over the next 20 or 30 years?

6. That Florida will be under 20 feet of water by the end of the century?

I would bet that at best you can make the claim of 1 and 2 and find little evidence to support your 97% agreement on anything else.
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And what exactly do 97% of scientists agree on?

1. That global warming is happening?

2. That the primary cause is manmade?

3. That the effects will be catostrophic?

4. That the projections of how much global warming there will be are accurate?

5. That we can expect millions of climate refugees over the next 20 or 30 years?

6. That Florida will be under 20 feet of water by the end of the century?

I would bet that at best you can make the claim of 1 and 2 and find little evidence to support your 97% agreement on anything else.


If you read the report you would know.

But you never bother to get informed. So go back to your blogs and read uninformed opinions that make you feel clever. If you ever bother to learn anything, I'll resume answering your questions. As it is, I have no confidence that you have anything close to the integrity required to get informed.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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@J, how do you illuminate a Dark Forest? Cixin Liu says be quiet. Others figured out that Shannon had a better answer that is not babble. Why come across as snooty to those who are not attempting to communicate with you?
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