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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts 
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It was 35 at 6am and it's already 50 at 10am. At this rate this the oceans will be boiling by dinner time!
But if we can annoy enough people and get them to spend lots of money maybe the AGW will relent for a few hours... Possibly even some temporary cooling if a big enough online effort succeeds. So unless you want to broil get posting!!!
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts
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On 2013-10-25 06:15, Woland wrote: I think I can predict with a fairly high degree of accuracy at least two responses to this post. 1. Now try looking at twenty or fifty years 2. Before I even consider chasing this goose, can you find a single scientific reference that suggests that hurricanes in the USA were predicted to rise? |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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On 2013-10-25 10:09, rockwall wrote: No. I'll once again advise you to read before you judge. From Woland's link: Quote:
With only two hurricanes so far, the 2013 Atlantic hurricane season is well behind the curve to reach the average number of hurricanes and is one of the least intense since 1950. Which you and Woland duly quoted. (Well Woland quoted it, rockwall probably just quoted Woland without following the link, if the first 12 pages of this discussion has any predictive value.) The article continues: Quote:
While the season does not end until late November, time is running out for the season, much to the relief of those living in coastal areas. What's this? An ABOVE AVERAGE number of tropical storms? Why didn't you mention that? Oh right.
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The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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I think I can predict the day of the week with better than one in ten accuracy. it's Monday.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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Is there a trend in average storms per year and a trend in storm wind strength? NOAA has posted data back to 1851.
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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts
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http://www.nbcnews.com/science/arctic-te......11462851
"New research shows that average summer temperatures in the Canadian Arctic over the last century are the highest in the last 44,000 years, and perhaps the highest in 120,000 years." "Miller and his colleagues gauged Arctic temperatures by looking at gas bubbles trapped in ice cores (cylinders drilled from the ice that show layers of snow laid down over time) taken from the region, which allows scientists to reconstruct past temperature and levels of precipitation. They paired this with radiocarbon dating of clumps of moss taken from a melting ice cap on Canada's Baffin Island. Their analysis shows that these plants have been trapped in the ice for at least 44,000 years, and perhaps as long as 120,000 years. Taken together, that data suggest temperatures in the region haven't been this high since perhaps as long as 120,000 years ago, according to the study. "The Arctic has been heating up for about a century, but the most significant warming didn't start until the 1970s, Miller said in the statement. "And it is really in the past 20 years that the warming signal from that region has been just stunning," he added. "All of Baffin Island is melting, and we expect all of the ice caps to eventually disappear, even if there is no additional warming." |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts
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On 2013-10-25 09:33, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Nominee for post of the year, and I don't even agree with him!
Click here to get Gerald Deutsch's Perverse Magic: The First Sixteen Years
All proceeds to Open Heart Magic charity. |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts
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What's this? An ABOVE AVERAGE number of tropical storms? Why didn't you mention that? Do you think that observation proves that increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere diminishes the extreme amplitude of tropical storms, so that even if the number of tropical storms is "ABOVE AVERAGE" (as you say), fewer of them become hurricanes? Just asking. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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On 2013-10-25 14:28, Woland wrote: Of course not. It does illuminate recurring threads of dishonesty in the NVMS section of the café, though.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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Interesting to see, though, that Woland appears to agree that the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing. He just believes that the resultant warming is a good thing and doesn't seem to have any problem with us emitting even more. (Of course, on other days he's stated that warming isn't occurring at all.)
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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Iirc the post was about the long term data putting our age in the warm gap between ice ages.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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Unfortunately, if the temperature in the current "warm gap" keeps increasing artificially as predicted by the AGW model, it pretty much insures that man won't be around by the time the next natural ice age occurs.
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RNK Inner circle 7529 Posts
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To say that our climate is changing because of ONE parameter CO2- is simply crazy. The climate is too complicated to be predicted by a single parameter. Further CO2 makes up approximately 0.8% of gases that make up our atmosphere. Considering how complex our climate is given the variable that control it- you can't make a statement that a gas that makes up 0.8% of the atmosphere is CONTROLLING the climate.
RNK
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Woland Special user 680 Posts
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Hi Bob,
That the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is increasing is relatively straightforward to ascertain. Whether there is such a thing as the "global climate" and if there is, whether the average baseline temperature (if there is such a thing) of the earth's climate is increasing, is far more difficult to know. And whether human industrial activity contributes to changes in that temperature is even more difficult to know. But it is possible to be reasonably certain that all of the "good times" in recorded human history coincide with the warmer eras on earth, and not with the colder periods. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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On 2013-10-25 16:20, RNK wrote: Whew. Good thing IPCC claims no such thing, then. Here we are 13-odd pages into a discussion allegedly about IPCC Fifth Assessment Report. Wonder how many posters have read any portion of the document.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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On 2013-10-25 16:20, RNK wrote: Just as it's simply crazy to assume that anyone ever said that. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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Sorry, John. We posted at the same time.
I DID read the IPCC report and you're absolutely correct that it claims no such thing. Nor have I. Bob |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts
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On 2013-10-25 10:27, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: It's sad that this is what you now descend to simply because it was shown that you were so sure of yourself that you were unwilling to consider your error. |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts
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On 2013-10-25 16:42, mastermindreader wrote: Really? All 2000+ pages of it? That's quite impressive. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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Then you're easily impressed. I also read the entire ACA. I read lots of things in their entirety. I'm a very proficient speed reader.
So I take it, then, that you haven't read it at all. |
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