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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
I definitely know this topic has created a lot of "HOT AIR" from all sides. That could be part of the problem.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On Jun 18, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote: There's a big difference between being called a 'science denier' and a 'warmist'. The label 'warmist' is simply a label describing their position. Someone who believes that AGW is man made and causing the Earth to warm at such a rate as to cause dire consequences to the planet and mankind. It's not that different than calling someone who likes to do magic a magician. But the label 'science denier' is meant to be derogatory and to discredit, and it's not even accurate. Climate skeptics don't deny science anymore than warmists do. They are simply skeptical of many of the claims being made about AGW and the assertions of what needs to be done to 'fix' things. Also, as far as the money involved. There is no comparison. The amount of money on the skeptical side is infinitesimally small compared to that on the AGW side. I won't dispute some of your other assertions but those are the 'facts'. |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
An interesting history of the use of the term 'climate denier' and how it was chosen specifically to stop debate and be derogatory.
http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060018646 "The term "skeptic" -- modified with "greenhouse" or "climate change" -- had been used mostly by climate change believers since the early 1980s. The first published reference was in 1981 in The New York Times. It gained in prominence after Hansen's testimony, and was the overwhelmingly dominant term by the time the Kyoto Protocol was adopted in 1997, for the first time limiting greenhouse gas emissions internationally. But then "skeptics" embraced it. Marc Morano, publisher of the Climate Depot blog and a former Inhofe aide, said the term captured the essential points for his side: that there shouldn't be a rush to embrace the widely held scientific view that human emissions are leading to harmful warming, and that the public should entertain other views and other data. "The reason 'skeptic' is so apt, I believe, is because we were told that there was a consensus and this is no longer up for debate," he said in an interview. "We're skeptical of those claims." Then it was climate believers' turn to howl in protest. "After the skeptics adopted that label as a kind of honorific ... the scientists started to make a fuss about that label, because they wanted it for themselves," Nerlich said in an interview. "But the skeptics wanted to keep it, because they say they are the right skeptics."" "In 2000, "denier" was referenced 10 times in the English-language press. In 2014, it appeared 3,183 times. "Ultimately, this is all about having an upper hand in the war of words," said Kert Davies of Greenpeace U.S. "And it's proven out now that it actually does hurt to be called a denier." "But Morano says the Obama administration and its allies are deliberately using the "denier" label to "intimidate and silence" their political opponents while they drive through their agenda. The term is being used more frequently, he said, because greens know the last years of the Obama administration are their best chance to win carbon regulations at home and a climate agreement abroad, he said. "They want a final push to just totally smear and discredit skeptics," he said. "The reins of power right now are on their side."" |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Jun 18, 2015, rockwall wrote: I think we are fat closer to agreement than you think. The main point is it is what causes the stalemate. Fact is you do not want to ruin the planet. I don't either. Yet we get painted that way. Well I assume you don't want to please correct me if I am wrong LOL.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
I realize that was the crux of your position. I just thought you were being a bit too generous in some of your comparisons.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
It is too late now that we are under the sea. We should have listened to Bob.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Devious Inner circle 2120 Posts |
Some would say that Pop doesn't know he's talking about but we're not one of them.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Some would say it depends on what Pop is talking about but others toe the party line.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I may disagree philosophically with some of what Pop says. But he knows what he is talking about. His positions on everything I have ever seen him post about are quite well thought out.
Intelligent people of good conscience can disagree. That does not necessarily mean one has no idea what he is talking about.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I would like to know how intelligent people know that Pop knows what he is talking about when Pop hasn't even said anything yet.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Destiny Inner circle 1429 Posts |
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On Jun 18, 2015, rockwall wrote: A poor choice so far as stopping debate is concerned then. Anyway, over to the Pope... |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
When the sun comes up we get warmer, so maybe we could make it come up later in the day?
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Well don’t hold your breath as it has been two years since Pop cut and pasted that silly report and hasn’t said a word about it yet.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Devious Inner circle 2120 Posts |
Pop has been waiting future data to respond.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
In the meantime what we’re left with is a socialist negative feedback loop and a system that exists, solely in order to exist.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Well not speaking for him but I certainly am tired of the same dogs chasing the same cars.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
We do have experts here on climate change in one respect. It’s not in science their expertise lie but in law. I mean, one can look into the matter from a human rights point of view.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Devious Inner circle 2120 Posts |
Pop is currently relaxing in unseasonably warm weather San Diego after a local gig at the county fair in Del Mar
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On Jun 19, 2015, Destiny wrote: Not to those who will tell you, "The debate is over!" |
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Devious Inner circle 2120 Posts |
I always look forward to Rocks comments.
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