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I was curious to see what people thought about creating your own methods for existing effects. I am NOT talking about reverse engineering because that IS unethical in my opinion. I'm talking about hearing a premise and creating your own method to achieve the same or similar effect. As an example, I have created an invisible change prediction effect that does not use a S***i and uses principles from mentalism and magic, and a dictionary book test. I bought Kranzo's diction but felt it was limited, so I created a way to reveal a random word, page, column, and number down from the top of the page. I feel it is ethical to hear a premise and create your own method as long as it's NOT reverse engineering an already existing method. What are your thoughts?
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With generic premises such as the change prediction and dictionary test, there is nothing wrong with it. If, however, you see a unique presentation of an effect, work out a method, and then use and present it in the exact same way as the originator, you have crossed an ethical line.



Good thoughts,

Bob
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That's my thought exactly, Bob.
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But I can't change the patter and style, Bob . . . you project the same sort of crass image I do so it would be really dumb to put the time and effort into creating my own script . . . or should I channel my inner Terry Seabrook and give people a sugar after they fill out the cards in 4DT?
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Yes. It is better if you copy somebody else's lines and persona rather than mine. Smile

Seriously, though, I'm much more protective about my original lines and presentations than I am about my methods, which are invisible anyway.
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I think if you bought an effect and find a method that suits you better, it's fine.

I remember a philosophy teacher saying something like, you can't own an idea, but you can own the way it's put into form. For instance, you can't be the owner of the idea a boy and a girl from ennemy families fall in love, but you can own the way you put words (or images, etc.) together to tell that story.

So I believe the patter and presentation are what's most important. I believe that's what best defines a routine. The same patter and presentation with a different method is the same routine. The same method with a different presentation is not (if said presentation is different enough: as I said, similarities or differences should be judged by what the spectator sees).
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Exactly, Cervier. I agree.
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Quote:
On 2013-09-29 10:41, Cervier wrote:
I remember a philosophy teacher saying something like, you can't own an idea, but you can own the way it's put into form.


Worth noting: that's what copyright law says too.
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