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On 2013-11-16 15:34, Fire Starter wrote:
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Many thanks for the quick informative reply,it answers my qestion,again many thanks proberly stick with the one I have as it seems to only be appearance that is different with this,all the best.
Shane


I had several of the old Okito Dolls and Rogue'sHaunted Doll is an improvement on the hiding of the gimmick. I have no issues handing Rogues Doll out. I would not do that with the Okito Doll.
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Many thanks for the quick informative reply,it answers my qestion,again many thanks proberly stick with the one I have as it seems to only be appearance that is different with this,all the best.
Shane
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I'd prefer the term "craftsmanship" over "appearance." It's a little pricey, but it is gorgeous.
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If anyone is looking for something Spooky to hold their Haunted Doll in I have the following if anyone is interested.

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Exact same coffin case is all over ebay for about $5+, also available in other designs, same exact size. Search "coffin shaped cigarette case." Thank you for letting us see that these exist.
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Someone asked about the DVD being glitchy. Yes. Mine was. I couldn't navigate the menu very well at all.
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On 2013-11-16 16:09, nonvpro wrote:
If anyone is looking for something Spooky to hold their Haunted Doll in I have the following if anyone is interested.

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Exact same coffin case is all over ebay for about $5+, also available in other designs, same exact size. Search "coffin shaped cigarette case." Thank you for letting us see that these exist.

Oooh I love this coffin and got to get one,will use it for something different though and possiby for the doll,any idea if say 20 odd cards will fit in this?.This thread has got me interested in the voodoo doll which I have and it has been in the back drawer so to speak for a year or more,might get a little voodoo story together and have a play about , thanks for the feed back folks,all the best.
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I performed a routine that I used to use with the old Okitio Doll. Might not be for everyone, but I thought I'd share it.

It's in The Café's Secret Sessions:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......rum=37&0
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On 2013-11-16 18:32, Zombie Magic wrote:
I performed a routine that I used to use with the old Okitio Doll. Might not be for everyone, but I thought I'd share it.

It's in The Café's Secret Sessions:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......rum=37&0

Excellent idea and many thanks for sharing.all the best.
Shane
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On 2013-11-16 18:32, Zombie Magic wrote:
I performed a routine that I used to use with the old Okitio Doll. Might not be for everyone, but I thought I'd share it.

It's in The Café's Secret Sessions:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......rum=37&0


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On 2013-11-16 14:54, Robvs wrote:
I was referencing the 400 word narrative. The comment was meant to be taken lightly.


I'm guessing this is in response to my wine-induced, long-winded narrative about my enthusiasm for the Haunted Doll. Sorry about that. I'm a writer by nature and tend to ramble when I'm excited about something. I'll try to keep my posts more concise in the future. (but I'll admit I did a good laugh at you pointing it out). Smile

While on the subject of writing though, I might as well plug two of my books (forgive me for hustling) that while not directly related to magic, both have magic related material in them. One is a memoir of working my first job at a Christmas themed amusement park where I share the story of performing a trick with a staple gun, a dollar bill, and my forehead to try & impress a female coworker. The other is a fiction novel where the protagonist uses David Copperfield-like rose tissues to try an pick up ladies at a party (ending up getting roundhouse-kicked in the face). Both are guaranteed to make you laugh out loud multiple times or your money back! http://www.santasvillagegonewild.com & http://www.blackout-drunk.com

Sorry to hijack the thread, back to talking about the awesome HD!
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On 2013-11-14 06:59, Dr. Van Van Mojo wrote:
You know what would be really cool? If someone would answer my question I've posted 3 times about whether a replacement/backup doll will be offered a little cheaper w/o the dvd for those who have already purchased the doll w/dvd.

Hey! That question was answered pages back by Devonte I believe, we are not at the moment considering offering replacement dolls. I know Murphys Magic does not sell a lot of refills, or is there even a market for it usually. I considered doing a special with System 6 but we also have to be respectful of other dealers. Its a lot of politics and etc and the cost wouldnt even drop much as the disk itself is the the most affordable portion of the production process. Yet, we would have to create some kind of box for it, and would just maintain the same price point. A lot of it is just numbers, very sorry about that!

Peace, love and applesauce,

Six

Actually, Devonte simply explained why a download wouldn't be cheaper than a dvd, I don't believe there was an answer to the replacement doll question. And of course there's a market for "refills". There are plenty of tricks that need and offer cheaper replacement gimmicks or items without a need for the instructional video that accompanies the original purchase. I gave one example and there are others. Obviously if materials or manufacturing costs are part of the reason for a high price then that won't be the case. But if someone purchased this and the doll was lost, broken, stolen, or maybe they just want a backup, there is no need for the dvd and I assumed the instructional dvd was the main reason for the price since the materials and manufacturing cost can't be very high. I could make one for pennies in a few minutes.

I think the price is reasonable for the dvd with the doll especially for someone who doesn't know how it works, but since you seem to be saying the dvd cost is negligible I just feel it's a little high for only the doll. I bought mine after reading about it and wanted to see what the improvements were. It's a great little doll, but there's not really anything groundbreaking about it. Is it better than previous commercially available versions? Yes, so kudos to Rogue and System 6. Is it better than what I've made myself? Sorry, but not really. That's not to say it's worse, as I said it's a great little doll. But I did the same thing as far as using a smaller gimmick, it only made sense, and there are many ways to help camouflage it depending on the type of doll, of which I've made a few, including one somewhat similar to the HD.

As far as creating a box for it, I don't see that being necessary. Stick it in a bubble mailer, stamp do not bend on it and you're good to go, nothing extra needed.

Please don't take my post the wrong way since it may sound harsh but that's the nature of the internet. The HD is great, I love it and have posted positively about it in this post and others. You seem to have many happy customers, and rightly so. It's simply my opinion that original purchasers of the HD w/dvd should have the option to purchase a replacement doll at a lower price since you are no longer paying for a secret, but essentially an inexpensive replacement part. I'm obviously in the minority as I've seen very few posts about the cost so feel free to ignore me but good gestures towards your customers can go a long way and it's not like I'm saying cut all your profits and sell it for 5 bucks or something crazy. I wouldn't have rambled so much here but I was a bit put off by your "Hey!", which I may have taken the wrong way. As I mentioned, nature of the internet.

P.S. Looking forward to the Believe cards. I have a couple other things from System 6 on my wish list and as I mentioned, I'm very happy with my HD. Continued success to you.
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On 2013-11-16 15:30, Zombie Magic wrote:
I wouldn't give it to them after performing. I don't do that with any prop, fully examinable or not. I think being in control, setting boundaries, etc. makes the magic stronger ( even if it's just a hobby ).

Of course spectator management is important, but with something like this that can be examined I have no problem letting them take a look at it. I don't always offer it, but if they ask it can also make the magic stronger when they look and see nothing. Of course, depending on the presentation, they sometimes don't want to touch it. If I'm doing a "creepy" version I do sometimes hold it out to them and it's kind of fun to see them step back. Smile
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UPDATES: New Streaming Options coming this week / Possible Refill Ideas with New Limited Dolls that allow you to hang it on your necklace Smile

Fire Starter: You asked is the doll simply different in aesthetics, the simple answer is No. The Haunted doll utilizes the same method as the original Okito Doll, Yes it's made to be slimmer and more durable thus making its appearance different. But what "I believe" makes this Doll COMPLETLETLY different, in my opinion I would even dare to say Better, or in Dan sperry's opinion "I hated the older version, I love the Haunted Doll" ....It's the attention to detail, that makes this doll different, You see the gimmick wasn't just made to be smaller and nearly invisible making it "completely examinable" to a lay person BUT we took time in serching for the perfect gimmick that wasn't to doll or too sh...rp. All in all Yes I can give out the doll before and after the effect, I genuinely could not say the same about "any" of they previous versions. Smile but hey you can definitely stick with the original, then again it was the inspiration for this one. Just wanted to make clear that we would have not released something unless we felt we made a signifacant improvement

Jerskin / Daffydoug : You mentioned about a glitchy DVD and Daffy your mentioned having problems navigating. I would be more than happy to try and help. So as we mentioned before, System 6 is going Digital soon and will make available streaming options for mostly gimmick less tricks. That being said I want to make sure I support those that might have bought the DVD and May have had issues. We will send a private link this week of a streaming video of the Haunted Doll. to anyone who has issues watching the DVD. We would love to keep this specific video offline for now but I want to make sure you guys get what you paid for and "more"

Dr Van Van magic : Oh Dr Van Van Magic, what more can I say but "my apologies for not, giving you a direct reasonable answer to your question" I wasn't being sarcastic neither, I would hate it if I asked something and it felt like the other person/company were skating around the question. So to finally bring some type of answer or response to the long awaited question of "will there be refills available? And will they be less expensive?. The answer right off the back is that we are still discussing both questions and we simply don't have a definite YES or NO for neither question. All in all, here is what I'll leave everyone with. As of now YES, we are actively working on a way to make refills available, the only reason why it hasn't been made available yet, is to make sure that the Magic Dealers who bought the Haunted Doll w/ DVD, don't get stuck with the DVD's because everyone decided to buy the replacement doll for cheaper. We understand this is a problem that can be resolved but we just simply want to go about it, in a way that is a WIN / WIN for both consumers and our magic dealers. We do have an idea that we have been exploring, which is that we may be releasing a limited number of a replacement Doll and handmade Box Set. So basically if you own the DVD, this will allow you to purchase a hand made old, wooden, spooky box that comes with its own Haunted Doll (which acts as a replacement) the price we would imagine would not signifacantlt drop, might even stay at 29.95. But this will allow someone who already purchased the DVD to buy a second one. Of course it wouldn't make sense to pay the exact same price withou the DVD and just a doll, but buying a cool spooky handmade box that brings a Haunted Doll with it (possibly altered to clip onto a necklace). We might only make this available of course to people who own the DVD. We might even ask a Password Question only available to those who own the DVD, like what color shirt is Rogue wearing in the DVD. Hope this adds clarity to both our thinking behind your question and our current state. We will continue to keep you updated on options to get a second doll Smile

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Many thaks Devontemagic for the very informative discription of the H/D,sounds way cool and I got to admit my Okito Doll is a little sharp on the hands so I may very well invest,all the best.
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We do have an idea that we have been exploring, which is that we may be releasing a limited number of a replacement Doll and handmade Box Set. So basically if you own the DVD, this will allow you to purchase a hand made old, wooden, spooky box that comes with its own Haunted Doll (which acts as a replacement) the price we would imagine would not signifacantlt drop, might even stay at 29.95. But this will allow someone who already purchased the DVD to buy a second one. Of course it wouldn't make sense to pay the exact same price withou the DVD and just a doll, but buying a cool spooky handmade box that brings a Haunted Doll with it (possibly altered to clip onto a necklace). We might only make this available of course to people who own the DVD. We might even ask a Password Question only available to those who own the DVD, like what color shirt is Rogue wearing in the DVD. Hope this adds clarity to both our thinking behind your question and our current state. We will continue to keep you updated on options to get a second doll Smile


Love, Hugs and Applesauce

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Count me in for the doll + box if you decide to go this way ! I ordered from System6 and I will be more than glad if I could have a little home and a sister for my HD Smile

So count me in again Smile
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Anywhere we can register to get an e-mail when this is available? Smile
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If anyone is looking for something Spooky to hold their Haunted Doll in I have the following if anyone is interested.

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Thank you for the information. I ordered a couple of these. Perfect to put it in for both protecting the doll while in the pocket and for enhancing the story line.
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On 2013-11-16 16:09, nonvpro wrote:
If anyone is looking for something Spooky to hold their Haunted Doll in I have the following if anyone is interested.

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Thank you for the information. I ordered a couple of these. Perfect to put it in for both protecting the doll while in the pocket and for enhancing the story line.

The only negative is that the box looks a bit overworked compared to the doll, and also a bit kitschy with the skulls. Personally I prefer a simple wooden box with some scraches, burnmarks and maybe some simple "magic signs" on it.
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All of these coffins and such are all very nice, but the problem for me is that you can't have it both ways.

Either I need to stick with wearing HD as a necklace, or I have to choose one of these cases. If I have it in a case, it will be in my pocket where nobody will see it or ask me about it. If I do the necklace, everyone will ask me about it, but it won't have the advantage of a spooky start right from the beginning.

I wish there was a way to do both.
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The only negative is that the box looks a bit overworked compared to the doll, and also a bit kitschy with the skulls. Personally I prefer a simple wooden box with some scraches, burnmarks and maybe some simple "magic signs" on it.
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Agreed. Sorry, but those coffins are utter junk. They completely derail the mystery. They look fabricated and have absolutely nothing to do with the earthy appeal of the doll. You are far better off finding a rusty can, a distressed box, or a greasy old cloth.

The entire appeal of the effect begs the question, "Where did this thing come from?" You'd want the container to ask the same. The doll deserves better than a toy tin.
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That's why, since they done a BEAUTIFUL work on the doll, I wait for Rogue's wooden box.. I'm sure I won't be disappointed
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