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On 2013-10-13 15:35, S2000magician wrote:

And, noting the exceptions I mentioned, neither do I.

Chrylser falls into neither category, so the exceptions don't apply.

Whether or not Chrysler falls into one or the other, those are not the ONLY exceptions. Nor are they the only reasons why it can make sense to preserve certain jobs, be there a comparative advantage for them or not. (Again, I've mentioned several other reasons in my posts above.)
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Yeah, but since I'm learning from you guys, please do continue!

Maybe time for a break, to do some Thanksgiving celebrating. Smile
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If this out flux of jobs to Mexico keeps up the American people are going to start sneaking across the border into Mexico to live and acquire employment. Smile Mexico will them have an immigration problem. Lots of Gringos. They will probably start to give them all sorts of benefits in Mexico. Let them vote and grant them amnesty and make them Mexican citizens. Smile Smile Smile

Things will progress and before you know it you will have a white president of Mexico.
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S2000- there are many reasons why we shouldn't completely abandon entire industries, such as the automotive industry, which provided the backbone of manufaturing that helped us during WWII.

Take, for example, rare earth magnets. The materials used aren't really that rare, actually, but currently, most of the mining (40%) is done in China. The US used to have facilities, but the companies involved moved the equipment overseas. Now, we've got good trade relations with China for now, but if those were to happen to turn sour, we'd be in deep trouble- rare earth magnets are used in everything from cars to computers to iPhones.

In other words, a degree of self-sufficiency is absolutely necessary for every industrial nation.
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S2000- there are many reasons why we shouldn't completely abandon entire industries, such as the automotive industry, which provided the backbone of manufaturing that helped us during WWII.

Take, for example, rare earth magnets. The materials used aren't really that rare, actually, but currently, most of the mining (40%) is done in China. The US used to have facilities, but the companies involved moved the equipment overseas. Now, we've got good trade relations with China for now, but if those were to happen to turn sour, we'd be in deep trouble- rare earth magnets are used in everything from cars to computers to iPhones.

In other words, a degree of self-sufficiency is absolutely necessary for every industrial nation.

I agree that a degree of self-sufficiency is important.

Who gets to decide what level of self-sufficiency is, well, sufficient? And who's going to pay for it?
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And, noting the exceptions I mentioned, neither do I.

Chrylser falls into neither category, so the exceptions don't apply.

Whether or not Chrysler falls into one or the other, those are not the ONLY exceptions. Nor are they the only reasons why it can make sense to preserve certain jobs, be there a comparative advantage for them or not. (Again, I've mentioned several other reasons in my posts above.)

I didn't intend those to be the only exceptions.

I don't see that Chrysler building more expensive cars in the US is an exception. Why do you believe that it is?
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What if we actually made decisions that favored having workers (re-)trained in jobs for which we have a relative advantage, rather than naïvely trying to hold onto jobs for which we have a relative disadvantage?

I am sure you will correct me if I am mistaken, but your assumption seems to be that enough of these other jobs (those for which you have a relative economic advantage) exist to go around. And that they are as "good" (in a variety of senses) as the ones they are replacing.

I'm not making such an assumption.

I am saying that if a country (or continent, or state, or city, or individual) cannot be competitive in a particular industry, then they shouldn't be in that industry. Your citation of "good" jobs seems to suggest that if a country (or continent, or state, or city, or individual) has heretofore been accustomed to a certain standard of living, then they're entitled to that standard of living even if the world changes and they're no longer competitive. Please correct me if I've misinterpreted your position.

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Maybe by your argument you should all be mushroom pickers and Starbucks baristas?

We'll let that one lie, shall we?


Well, some of us can be Wal-Mart associates because nobody wanted to hire us as computer-based typesetters, something we'd been doing for 20 years.
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"Things will progress and before you know it you will have a white president of Mexico."

ah...I think they already do. Do you know what Enrique Peña Nieto looks like? I'll bet the rent money, he is whiter than you (and better looking!)
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"Things will progress and before you know it you will have a white president of Mexico."

ah...I think they already do. Do you know what Enrique Peña Nieto looks like? I'll bet the rent money, he is whiter than you (and better looking!)


Slide- I had to look back through the thread to find out who you were quoting, because I had to know who would say something like that- equating a "white president" with progress.

Finally found the post. Wasn't surprised.
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"Things will progress and before you know it you will have a white president of Mexico."

ah...I think they already do. Do you know what Enrique Peña Nieto looks like? I'll bet the rent money, he is whiter than you (and better looking!)


Enrique Peña Nieto. Are we talking about the same guy? Smile

Does this make him white. His father. Gilberto Enrique Peña del Mazo, was an electrical engineer; his mother is María del Perpetuo Socorro Ofelia Nieto Sánchez. If he was filling out a for to purchase a firearm would he check (W) for white? I don't think so.

As far as him being better looking than me...beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Maybe you think he is cute, whatever. Smile


Also my gut feeling if you called him "white" he would be rather mad at you.

Of course you might have called Michael Jackson white in his later years but that is just you.
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"Things will progress and before you know it you will have a white president of Mexico."

ah...I think they already do. Do you know what Enrique Peña Nieto looks like? I'll bet the rent money, he is whiter than you (and better looking!)


Slide- I had to look back through the thread to find out who you were quoting, because I had to know who would say something like that- equating a "white president" with progress.

Finally found the post. Wasn't surprised.


You know Bob you really are an arse. You know exactly what my post meant and chose to leave the whole post out but just put in what you thought would spin it. My post says nothing more than many Americans will go to Mexico looking for jobs that are going there for good reason. Soon there will be an immigration problem just as we have here with the Mexicans. All said, and you know it, in jest.

I have know a lot of people with agendas in my life and people who for one reason or another like to start issues but you really take the cake. While we are not supposed to call people names here I cannot help but call you petty. If that statement gets deleted or me banned so be it but let me repeat, you are petty. Here is my whole post that you are referring to do you really think it is serious. Like they are going to give benefits like we do. What is your problem Bob? Here is the post in quotes:

"If this out flux of jobs to Mexico keeps up the American people are going to start sneaking across the border into Mexico to live and acquire employment. Mexico will them have an immigration problem. Lots of Gringos. They will probably start to give them all sorts of benefits in Mexico. Let them vote and grant them amnesty and make them Mexican citizens."

"Things will progress and before you know it you will have a white president of Mexico."
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"Things will progress and before you know it you will have a white president of Mexico."

ah...I think they already do. Do you know what Enrique Peña Nieto looks like? I'll bet the rent money, he is whiter than you (and better looking!)


Slide- I had to look back through the thread to find out who you were quoting, because I had to know who would say something like that- equating a "white president" with progress.

Finally found the post. Wasn't surprised.


You know Bob you really are an arse. You know exactly what my post meant and chose to leave the whole post out but just put in what you thought would spin it. My post says nothing more than many Americans will go to Mexico looking for jobs that are going there for good reason. Soon there will be an immigration problem just as we have here with the Mexicans. All said, and you know it, in jest.

I have know a lot of people with agendas in my life and people who for one reason or another like to start issues but you really take the cake. While we are not supposed to call people names here I cannot help but call you petty. If that statement gets deleted or me banned so be it but let me repeat, you are petty. Here is my whole post that you are referring to do you really think it is serious. Like they are going to give benefits like we do. What is your problem Bob? Here is the post in quotes:

"If this out flux of jobs to Mexico keeps up the American people are going to start sneaking across the border into Mexico to live and acquire employment. Mexico will them have an immigration problem. Lots of Gringos. They will probably start to give them all sorts of benefits in Mexico. Let them vote and grant them amnesty and make them Mexican citizens."

"Things will progress and before you know it you will have a white president of Mexico."



I would also like to add Bob that my post had smileys in it and you thought it was serious. Give me a break. Stop trying to kid people with your antics.

Here is the time and date of my post: Oct 14, 2013 10:17am

No one equated a white president with progress. That is something you made up. Read the post again.
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