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J100taylor -if I may, I would suggest a real 'audience' (your church could provide one, Toastmasters too): that is, people who are there for YOU, not for the beer, or to have fun among themselves.
In a Pub it could be VERY difficult: there, you have couples and small groups: some could appreciate, some make a joke out of you, some just disturb. It's a very hard venue where to perform.
Have a look at that great scene of the Country Pub from 'The Blues Brothers'.. the Rawhide one.. and you'll understand what I mean Smile
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Interesting thread. I would suggest learning something like palmistry, and do it for people for free for a long time to get in the head of the whole thing. I use this example because it uses no cards or any props really. That's why I didn't say Tarot cards. If you feel like a charlatan doing palm reading, then that might be a hint that mentlism isn't for you.
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I respectively disagree. Many top mentalists don't use Tarot, palmistry or other divination tools. Instead they either work in the Dunninger/Kreskin mode of "scientific mind-reading" or in the psychological (Ned Rutledge/Derren Brown/Keith Barry, etc.) mode (body language, subliminal communication, etc.)

I would agree, though, that mentalism really isn't for performers who have qualms about presenting what they do as "real."
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John Taylor-

Be sure to hook up with me in Jack's pub sometime during MindVention. I'd be happy to meet you and offer you suggestions and advice regarding the issues you raised in the OP.

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On 2013-10-18 09:25, j100taylor wrote:
Danyel - great suggestions. I have been thinking along those lines myself. Although I have done walk-around at restaraunts I have never done a stage act. So I have been considering , as you said, volunteering to perform for my church. Also at our local pub, there is an open mike night - mainly for want to be comedians. But I don't think anyone would mind some mind reading, it would probably be funny anyway. Aslo thinking about Toastmasters as a way to develop a stage presence.


I veered towards the mentalist route about 7 years ago, having done & performed magic since age 12 or so. Because of my personality, it felt like a natural transition for me but I can relate to many of the challenges you mentioned.

I'm currently taking acting classes at a local community college (oldest in the class!), which I have found extremely helpful in understanding many critical elements of the stage, blocking and storytelling. Highly recommended.

Good luck and take care.
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On 2013-10-13 20:53, j100taylor wrote:
"Is he not the carpenter's son?" Mark 6:3...

Of course I am in no way comparing myself with Jesus. Just pointing out that even he couldn't perform miracles where he grew up!

Again I really appreciate everyone's support. Thanks!


he could perform miracles where he was from. He performed many. It was only when he made certain statements like eat my body drink my blood that the folks were taken aback. Then they were unbelieving.
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[quote]On 2013-11-07 21:04, saysold1 wrote:
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I'm currently taking acting classes at a local community college (oldest in the class!), which I have found extremely helpful in understanding many critical elements of the stage, blocking and storytelling. Highly recommended.



Good for you,saysold1 ! Smile
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On 2013-11-07 19:51, mastermindreader wrote:
John Taylor-

Be sure to hook up with me in Jack's pub sometime during MindVention. I'd be happy to meet you and offer you suggestions and advice regarding the issues you raised in the OP.

Best-

Bob
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I will definitely do that! I'll keep buying if you keep talking!

Flying out Saturday - looking forward to meeting all of you.

JT

PS John C - It was St Paul who made those claims - not Jesus, at least according to most scholars..
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Lots of exposure to magic or mentalism can make people smarter over time, which is why strangers are always the best audience. Especially those not used to seeing it. I never had that problem much though and also I don;t do magic for family or friends as often anymore. But if you have no problems baffling them with magic and only with mentalism, then maybe mentalism is not your thing or needs more work.
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I can see where the OP is coming from. When I first started out - I was definitely a card guy through and through. I performed numerous card tricks to my friends and family.

When I first started my journey into mentalism and performed for family for the first time - it sucked. They thought I was still putting on a magic show for them and that is what they expected, they couldn't quite understand why I was trying to predict things etc

After a while though of performing mainly mentalism, even my friends and family begin to believe my patter. After all, they are not trained magicians - they are not buying books and dvds. My patter fits my personality - I havn't suddenly started saying that I'm psychic or anything, I talk about how I have studied psychology, micro expressions etc and then do my mind reading or metal bending. Even stuff like metal bending - that doesn't quite fit with my pseudo explanations - goes down very well now with friends and family.

But to be honest with you - performing for friends and family was really my first step to getting performing experience. For me, what my customers think is what is important. I still advertise with magician in my adverts (magician of the mind) - for various reasons to do with the UK market and what I am aiming for. Because of this - I have to quickly show how I am not the typical magician doing magic tricks and it flies! You just have to be confident in what you are doing.
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It took me like 4 years to really shake the magician curse. People use to want to see magic and not mind reading because then knew I was a magic guy. But with time and drive, people now expect me to read their minds or do a reading.



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On Oct 13, 2013, Mindpro wrote:
Your performing for people who know you are not a mentalist. You're simply trying to fool them. That's magic. Mentalism is not about fooling or challenging anyone. This is the same problem beginners to hypnosis regularly experience is the people they initially try to hypnotize are family and friends, which is the absolute worst audience possible. It almost guarantees failure, because they know and don't see you as "a hypnotist".

I applaud you for your keen sense of observation and awareness and of course honesty. It could also be you are performing mentalism from a magic point of view.? See you at MV.



Yeah.. what you mean to audience is the most important thing in this case
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As so many have mentioned here, it is tough performing mentalism for family and friends. And for me, the more the routine moves towards the mind reading/parapsychology end of the spectrum, the harder they work to figure out the trick. Interestingly though, the more the routine veers toward spotting tells, muscle reading, and the like, the more they buy into my talent. They still work to figure it out -- but their solutions trend more towards trying to decide what they gave away or how I read them.
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