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NocturnalMagic
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I watched you video, lesson learned. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Ep0kvDRtM#t=130.
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Are we friends now guys?
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Welcome to the little darlings
My one and only intention from my first post on this thread was to help you get your money's worth out of this trick.

If you think that I dress funny you ought to get a load of DynoMike's wardrobe. He thinks that he is one of the Temptations. LOL

Posted: Oct 15, 2013 11:50am
If you look carefully I had a little problem with my ******* and I had to pop it back into position just before I started, so check the ******* before every show.
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Thanks for the reminder Al, but I have always remembered to check my fly before I start a show!!! LOL
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If the kids want to rip the doors off of the PIZZA BOX

Your doing it right.

I not a Pizza Box man.

I use Kovari's Turbo Bunny

AKA Run Rabbit Run.

Kids know about Pizza and Rabbits so

Both work.
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George
You are my toughest critic, and the fact that you don't have any advise for me tells me that I'm having a pretty good day.
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On 2013-10-15 13:43, Neznarf wrote:
If the kids want to rip the doors off of the PIZZA BOX

Your doing it right.



Thank you, that's how I feel. Was just trying to find a way to get the same frenzy out of the 2nd pizza. That was the sole reason for this post.
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I have never used the second pizza either. My inspiration for buying Dan's box was this clip from Tim Mannix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRzAq2VoRk

He slows the slide by tilting the box forward. I've never laughed so hard at a sucker trick. That kind of reaction needs nothing else.
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Great routine, great costume, and fabulous crowd control. That is a very well prepared routine that would kill anywhere.
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You see Al, I knew we could agree on something! Smile

That is a terrific routine, and it indirectly addresses the original question asked here by showing that you don't necessarily have to use the 2nd pizza to kill with this routine.

Presentation is key, and logical transitions also help within the overall show. With that last point in mind, I thought of another way to bring the missing pizza at the end full circle (pun intended!). You could transition right into Axtell's Pizza-to-Go by showing the kids how, using the right ingredients, we can make the pizza come back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYJpXB0pZC0


And this routine works well if you're already wearing the chef apron I suggested earlier.


Anyway, just a thought. Smile


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I have to read these posts more carefully. I thought Steve was refering to Mannix the TV show from the 70's! Imagine my suprise when I checked out the link Smile That was a great presentation!!

Mark
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So after the bashing I took from al, I asked 3 x local magicians (1 my good freind) to give me a honest opinion of my pizza box routine. 2 of them, my friend included said that the clothes were their only issue, and that getting the kids as hyped up as they were was the whole point of the trick. The other said the crowd control was his only issue, when I asked him about the clothes, he said "we are in South Florida, its hot as hell and its a casual look." He did mention that he was impressed @ the end of the routine when I got rushed, that the 1 kid who looked behind and saw the pizza, I was able to silence him with just a stare. So for last nights show, I put on black dress pants and a dark red dress shirt, and almost passed out from the heat lol. Anyways, thanx for the help everyone. And evem with 2 x "crowd control" school teachers, the pizza box still had the room roaring.
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I never said that you need to be uncomfortable in order to look good. Do you own any Hawaiian shirts (please no bowling shirts)? A costume is supposed to separate the performer from his audience, so wear something distinctive. Do you have any sport shirts with a collar? What do you wear when you take your wife out for a fine dinner?

There is nothing wrong with getting kids excited, but if no one hears your jokes a lot of your routine is wasted. Please don't do it exactly the way I do it, but look good and try to be heard while you perform this trick.

I'm sure however you do it from now on it will be much better.
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You two remind me of Eric and Doug. Smile
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DynoMike is far more qualified to give you wardrobe tips than I am, so I will leave you in his capable hands.

This is now your project DynoMike
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Forget the clothes for a moment, let's look at the trick.

As much as it pains me to do so, I have to agree with Al. There is no audience control, no rapport with the kids, and no real routining (or thought to a routine) other than "The pizza goes in here, now it's gone, blah blah blah".

I am not going to spill my routine because, in all my arrogance I truly believe that mine is the best and if I were to show it here you would all steal it. I tell a story that makes the trick compelling and interesting, and it makes sense. And when the pizza re-appears (NOT behind my back) it completes the circle of magic. It's satisfying for the audience, and adds that extra surprise that makes the trick more than just "Now it's here ... now its not, it's here again" ad nauseum.

Getting kids to yell and jump out of their seats is NOT necessarily good entertainment. If all we do is challenge them and make them feel forced to prove themselves by jumping up or yelling at us, we are fooling ourselves into thinking we are entertaining them when all we are really doing is frustrating them. Getting them to want to "rip the doors off" the prop is NOT an indicator that we are doing it right. It's an indicator that our prop is receiving more attention then the magician. It's akin to thinking we are great musicians because we can sing with karaoke.

I am the first to admit that everything in magic does not have to make sense. Magic in itself defies logic. But to say "Here's a pizza, I'm going to put it into a weird-looking box, now it's gone" is REALLY a senseless thing to do. Additionally, simply narrating your actions is beginners stuff. They can SEE what your are doing, why narrate it?

The answer is to THINK. Why would you do such a thing as make a pizza disappear? begin with the WHY and the routine will begin to take shape.
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I am not going to spill my routine because, in all my arrogance I truly believe that mine is the best and if I were to show it here you would all steal it. I tell a story that makes the trick compelling and interesting, and it makes sense.


Your opinion is your opinion, and I respect that. I like the frenzy that I build up, and you don't that's just fine with me. So you like Al's approach better? And for the record, I think its sad that you have the "best" routine and don't share it. This is my opinion that you may not care for. that's like me saying that I have this great trick that slays everyone in the world, yet I will never teach anyone. Or better yet, you don't show your routine so no one can comment on your perfomance. I am sure its great, don't get me wrong. But saying things like its the best and keeping it to yourself is what costs so many people to fail. I thought my performance went well, but posting it opened my eyes to Al's advice on the clothes. If he had never said anything, I would have never have really thought twice about it, so I thank him for that. The crowd control not as much as an issue, but it does need work. As for the routine, its called a sucker box. This is 1 of 2 effects I do that does not use kids. I enjoy getting them worked up, as do the parents. To each their own.
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"As much as it pains me to do so, I have to agree with Al"

Mark
Thanks for the back handed compliment.
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Let's take your comments one at a time:
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On 2013-10-20 07:56, NocturnalMagic wrote:

I like the frenzy that I build up, and you don't that's just fine with me. So you like Al's approach better?

No, that is not what I said. I said I agree with Al's comments.
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And for the record, I think its sad that you have the "best" routine and don't share it.

I have shared plenty. I wrote a column for MUM for seven years. I just don't feel that I need to spill this particular routine. You were the one who asked for feedback, so I offered some.
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Or better yet, you don't show your routine so no one can comment on your perfomance.

My routine is strong; so strong that it's my closer in kids shows. I don't feel that I need commentary, so there is no need to post it.

I am not here to just throw out insults or criticism. But if you post a video and ask for comments and suggestions, you can't expect only accolades. I was being honest in my analysis and commentary. I thought it was bland and had no thought or originality. If YOU think there was something original or creative, or worthwhile of positive comment, please let us know. This is a discussion, and I don't want this to look like an attack on you.
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The crowd control not as much as an issue, but it does need work.

It's a HUGE issue! There WAS no crowd control. Kids were all over the place. T say it needs work it like saying Rosie O'Donell needs to lose a little weight. But to some degree you may be right. If you routine your trick to anticipate that kids will get excited and want to jump up, and plan for it, you will also be controlling the crowd.
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As for the routine, its called a sucker box. This is 1 of 2 effects I do othat does not use kids. I enjoy getting them worked up, as do the parents. To each their own.

Well, yes, to each his own, But I don't understand why you asked for feedback if you seem to want to simply defend your routine and not take any advice. I have been performing for almost 30 years and I find ways to improve and listen to people here almost on a daily basis.

Honestly, the routine is essentially no routine. You simply place the pizza in the box and let it roll back and forth. Where is there a routine? Where is there control? Where is there any degree of original thought? Again, I am open to discussion. I don't want to come off as being holier than thou. But you need to help us see where you think the strong and weak points of the routine are if we are to give you the advice you are looking for.
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On 2013-10-20 09:40, Al Angello wrote:
"As much as it pains me to do so, I have to agree with Al"

Mark
Thanks for the back handed compliment.

Al, the truth, regardless of the source, is still the truth. When you're right, you're right!
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the xtra pizza did not get any kind of reaction. Almost to the point that I am not sure if it is even worth using. Here is a link to my last Pizza Box encounter, got great reactions everytime, but I do not have the lame 2nd pizza part. Any ideas? http://youtu.be/PhODOH8Ro_U


That was what my post was. Any suggestions about the 2nd pizza, that's it, nothign more nothing less. Its nice that you shared stuff in the past, but that has nothing to do with my post. You suggest you have the greatest Pizza Box Routine, yet don't discuss or describe anything, amazing. A big help, thanx.
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