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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
More than any other area in the U.S., if not the world... this small town has been the epicenter for nearly ever form of paranormal activity one can imagine, including:
UFO sightings UFO landings Abductions Implantation's Human & Animal mutilations PSI Warfare studies Secret Government-Alien interaction U.S. 'Constitutional' Government vs. Alien Agenda conflicts 'Reptilian' sightings Cryptozoological or Bioengineering phenomena [this was the general area where the famous 'Cabbit', the half cat / half rabbit was captured] Underground bases Conspiracy scenarios Alien Infiltration Deep-Cavern phenomena Super High-Tech activity MIB encounters In fact a higher CONCENTRATION of such activities has been evident in the vicinity of Dulce than any other area in the world, to the point that the inhabitants of this town have for the most part resigned themselves into acknowledging -- although not necessarily accepting -- the reality of such activity, whether they like it or not. |
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Ekuth Inner circle Floating above my 1538 Posts |
Come out to AZ sometime, Doug... I could tell you some local tales that will curl your hair.
I deliberately avoided mentioning Dulce, as the story is just *so* fantastical (referring to the base) and the witness... well, less than reliable. And dead. Odd, that. I grew up in Colorado, home of Snippy the horse- the first recorded case of animal mutilation. Also home to NORAD, Wright-Peterson AFB (which acted as one of two precursors to A51 and S4, Fort Carson (Fort Cartoon! ...local joke), annnnd... the Air Force Academy. Oh, and let's not forget the Denver International Airport (which I can remember from when it was Stapleton) and all the interesting things about that and the area surrounding it... Gah. There's literally TONS of strange things in the four corners region; and to the subject at broad. I investigated heavily from the mid 80's through the late 90's and finally had to give up for my own sanity. To be dead honest, I rather prefer the bliss of ignorance to the reality/realities that we may/may not live in. I'm sticking to Magic. At least I know my ITR won't probe me in parts unknown...
"All you need is in Fitzkee."
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
During a recent taxi ride from the airport into Montreal, I was treated to a 30 minute lecture on aliens in underground bases in New Mexico who control the world through telepathy and subsist on human flesh. At first I thought that the driver was simply a paranoid schizophrenic, but he explained, and I later confirmed, that he wasn't expressing his own insights, but that everything that he told me was widely disseminated and published on the World Wide Web.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Lol Woland!
I find it curious that astronomers, both professional an amateur, spend more time looking at the sky than anyone else on the planet, but they never see UFOs. Maybe it's because they know what things look like and are not easily self-deceived by the unexpected observation.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Ekuth Inner circle Floating above my 1538 Posts |
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On 2013-10-24 18:07, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Not... true. Not true AT ALL. The fact of the matter is that, like airline pilots and military personnel, astronomers are STRONGLY discouraged from publicly reporting UFO sightings. Generally due to closed minded ignorance on the part of their peers, and our media driven society. I'll provide the link to the following article, simply because it is exhaustive, and saves me having to write out the same information. Note, however, the sightings of J. Allen Hynek, one of the foremost and most respected astronomers of his time. He served, not coincidentally, on Project Blue Book... brought on specifically for the purpose of DEBUNKING sightings as astronomical or natural phenomenon. Article here: http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/201......180.html The article was written in December of 2012, so it is current and the source material cited may easily be found and confirmed. In short, boys and girls, do your homework on the subject THEN judge what is and is not real or a fact. That goes for both sides of the subject, btw... believers and skeptics alike.
"All you need is in Fitzkee."
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2013-10-23 06:34, Woland wrote: I'm not sure what you meant by "more or less ended his career with a book". Do you mean his career more or less came to an end as a result of the book, or that he ended his career on a high note by publishing this book? If his career slowed down around then, I suspect it had as much to do with his age as anything. Note that Harvard still had mandatory retirement ages for tenured faculty members circa 1993-94. I wonder if Mack may have been affected in some way by that. (Even if he was just young enough to avoid mandatory retirement, the institutional culture may have still been encouraging people his age (e.g. with incentives) to retire.) From Wikipedia (with some minor editing on my part): --- John Edward Mack M.D. (October 4, 1929 – September 27, 2004) was an American psychiatrist, writer, and professor at Harvard Medical School. Published "Abduction: Human Encounters with Aliens" (1994) at the age of 64 or 65. In May 1994, the Dean of Harvard Medical School, Daniel C. Tosteson, appointed a committee of peers to confidentially review Mack's clinical care and clinical investigation of the people who had shared their alien encounters with him (some of their cases were written of in Mack's 1994 book Abduction). Concluding the fourteen-month investigation, Harvard then issued a statement stating that the Dean had "reaffirmed Dr. Mack's academic freedom to study what he wishes and to state his opinions without impediment," concluding "Dr. Mack remains a member in good standing of the Harvard Faculty of Medicine." ---
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2013-10-24 19:27, Ekuth wrote: The same article appears on at least two other websites so who knows when it was actually 'written' (versus posted). Even if it was written recently, the incidents it talks about are from many decades ago. The "source material cited may easily be found and confirmed"? Like Eugene Semitjovs' out of print foreign language book "De otroliga tefaten" or the Bulgarian newspaper "Nedelea"? Really? Even if I could find them, I doubt that I could read them in order to confirm what they say. Furthermore, most of the examples of claims listed in that article towards the end do not even give sources for them.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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Ekuth Inner circle Floating above my 1538 Posts |
*sighs and pinches nose* THIS is why I generally don't discuss this subject. It always ends in splitting hairs over sources, whether the sources are questionable, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
No, the article isn't perfect. Yes, it's appeared elsewhere. Yes, there are inconsistencies, but the BULK of the material is factual and easily verified by checking with the astronomical institutions mentioned. Every astronomer, from professional to amateur, is taught to keep a detailed record of their observations. The facts supporting the bulk of the sources cited in the article are verifiable for those willing to expend the time and effort to do so. Balducci, it seems you're more interested in picking individual examples of inconsistencies in the article to disprove the bulk of the data, which the sheer preponderance of recorded data is what counts and was the main point I wanted to illustrate to in response to the ludicrous statement that 'astronomers never see ufo's'. Bullhockey. They do. Along that vein, it is wise to keep in mind that NO astronomer, ANYWHERE, looks at the entirety of the sky when they are observing. They are concentrating on ONE SMALL SECTION of a vast array of stars. I'll leave out the fact that observers in the northern hemisphere cannot observe the stars in the southern and vice versa for the sake of obviousness... well, since I mentioned it, I guess I'm not leaving it out. For the Flying Spagetti Monster's sake, people... think critically and stop seeing the trees for the forest (yes, I know that's reversed. Think about it). Simply because an article fails to get ALL of it's facts straight does NOT discount those that it does. THAT is closed minded thinking, and focusing on specifics to prove a personal viewpoint rather than looking at the subject as a whole; which is one of the primary reasons no one takes this field of inquiry seriously... and why those who do are often ridiculed. But then they called Copernicus and Galileo crackpot wankjobs too... food for thought. Look, the main thing is to keep an open mind. Only narcissistic arrogance of the most idiotic level could still hold, in this day and age, that we are the only sentient species inhabiting the universe. Whether they choose to visit this world is another matter entirely. With that, I'll close with the caveat that all of my remarks, unless specifically addressed to a person, BY NAME, are to be taken as addressing the human race as a whole; so don't get your back up if you feel I'm calling you out personally; I'm not. I'll bow out of the discussion at this point, because these conversations always end the same way. My respects, ladies and gentlemen of the forum. *tips hat*
"All you need is in Fitzkee."
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2013-10-24 22:38, Ekuth wrote: I see. Never mind that your original earlier claim was "The article was written in December of 2012, so it is current and the source material cited may easily be found and confirmed." You made 3 points there: that the article was written in December 2012, that it was current, and that the source material was easily found and confirmed. It turns out that at least two of your claims are demonstrably false, and the third is at least suspect. Now you are back peddling, changing and partially reversing what you said before. So what can I say? If you want your arguments to be taken seriously, don't lead with exaggerated claims. At the least, don't get upset when someone comments on them.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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So, it appears that every incident in that article involves an astronomer prior to 1980. Most incidents appear to be from the 1950s era. It's a safe bet to say that most of them are deceased (former) astronomers today. Are ANY of those astronomers still alive? Also, has any active, respected, still living astronomer in recent years (say since 2000) claimed to have seen a UFO?
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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NicholasD Inner circle 1458 Posts |
While I agree that there's probably intelligent life out there somewhere. Not willing to believe that they've ever gotten remotely close to us.
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Chessmann Inner circle 4247 Posts |
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On 2013-10-24 16:25, Ekuth wrote: Just use your SPP. The Aliens will never mistake it for anything other than a completely normal, ungimmicked pen
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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Ekuth Inner circle Floating above my 1538 Posts |
*chuckles at Chessman* Until I do the 'Zero G Bill' for them. Then, I am like unto a god... um, yeah. Check, please.
@balducci: Yes, I know I said I'd bow out, but you got me to thinking. I respect a good healthy dose of skepticism, so I went poking about. While this may not be precisely what you want/need, a read through this article may prove enlightening (or not): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/06......157.html At least there are people in the establishment that are calling for a serious examination of the subject. Again, I would like to stress the necessity of an open mind when dealing with this subject matter. Drake's Equation and the number of planets surrounding suns other than our own (to date more than 1,000 have been catalogued) add up to the fact that we are most likely NOT alone in the universe. To believe otherwise is akin to believing the earth is flat. You and I could go back and forth until the sun burns out citing this source or that source and this case or that case... we can call each other names, insult each other's intelligences and ability to argue/debate... pick apart each post looking for a weak spot; turn it into a real flame war. I'm not going to do that. I know what I have experienced, heard firsthand, seen firsthand. I'm still skeptical of a lot of the crap out there, and there's a TON of it. So I respect your point of view, all I ask is that you try to do the same. Consider: Arguing from the skeptic's viewpoint is easy. Arguing with an open mind requires more effort. *spreads hands* And that's all she wrote, folks. Believe what you like.
"All you need is in Fitzkee."
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 188 Posts |
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On 2013-10-24 19:27, Ekuth wrote: Discouraged by who?? The fact that there would be a massive conspiracy afoot to silence astronomers is itself a grand claim that would require extraordinary evidence. Anyway, there's perhaps no more respected astronomer than Phil Plait and here's what he has to say about astronomers and UFOs: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badast......rt-ufos/ "I have, from time to time, made a point that astronomers rarely if ever report UFOs. If UFOs really were buzzing us as much as the media and UFO proponents would have us believe, then astronomers would overwhelmingly report the majority of them: we spend far more time outside looking up than pretty much any other group of people. So why don’t we see all these alien spacecraft? I think this is because we almost always understand what we’re seeing in the sky, so we know not to mistake Venus, the Moon, a satellite, or other mundane things for flying saucers. While UFO believers love to make hay of this — showing me the extremely rare time when an astronomer has reported a UFO, thus proving my point, or falsely saying astronomers spend too much time at the eyepiece to note the broader sky (which is ridiculous) — the fact is, astronomers are familiar with the sky, so we know what’s going on. Well, almost always know. John Woolley of the Greater Edmonton Skeptics Society has an amusing story of the time he and some other astronomers saw something they couldn’t immediately explain… and make sure you read Part 2. And y’know, his story sounds pretty familiar… So remember, despite the claims of the UFO crowd and the media that love to play this stuff up, seeing isn’t believing. Understanding is!" Also, did you see the Neil Degrasse Tyson clip that I linked to previously? It's worth a watch. And the site that you linked to is an "alternative" news site that reports on giant UFOs coming out of the sun, shadowman/ghost attacks caught on film, Obama staged the recent fainting incident, etc. etc. I would hardly consider it a credibile source. To date, there has been no hard evidence in support of the "aliens in spacecraft from other worlds are visiting/abducting us" claim. Whatever evidence there is has been sketchy anecdotal evidence. Again, the unexplained is unexplained. Period. Should we investigate? Sure. But it's an unjustified leap to make grand claims of the sort that we often hear from UFO proponents. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 188 Posts |
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On 2013-10-25 03:13, Ekuth wrote: But the skeptics viewpoint is the open minded viewpoint. Skepticism is about considering ALL the evidence for a claim and asking questions (hard questions) about it. If the data/evidence can't pass muster, then it is discarded. Isn't this the approach we should always take? Skepticism is not the automatic rejection of claims. The credulous however, mostly resort to confirmation bias. Here is a good video on open-mindedness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI Enjoy. Ron :)
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts |
Yup, med school students travel very far to practice endoscopy.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2013-10-25 03:13, Ekuth wrote: You may respect it (and thanks for that) but I'm not sure you understand my point of view, insomuch as you appear (at least so it seems to me) to consider me a die-hard skeptic. Let me put it this way, if I agreed with you 100% I believe I still would have commented on your earlier post as I did.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts |
Since when is arguing as a skeptic easy?
Some here might not understand the notion. Arguing from ones social norms, say Plato's where slavery is taken as unquestionable, is less difficult IMHO. Still seems like a claim of people taking a long trip to malpractice.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts |
Does watching a game on tv effect its outcome?
Does watching jeopardy make you smarter? Does watching the lottery drawing make you luckier? What does it mean to you that fairy tales become wild goose chases to meet people who seem to have little regard for your person, language, society ... ? The moral of this story is?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
One thing is certain. Air Force seniors are taking this very seriously. Ya don't eff with our nuclear missles!
Doug |
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